Handheld PC makers are slowly losing touch with Valve's successful Steam Deck template of affordability, and that's very concerning
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Yeah, like the House market /s
I wouldn’t compare a Steam Deck with living accommodations, but ok.
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This is nothing new. Before the steam deck came out, Handheld PCs have already been
overpricedexpensive. Other manufacturers haven’t bothered about affordability before, during ot after the steam deck.That said, Gabe Newell said the steam deck was priced “painfully”, which means they probably had very low margins on the hardware and are making it back on sales on their store. Other manufacturers do not have that luxury.
I wouldnt call devices like the GPDwin overpriced considering it’s probably lower volume production and niche use case.
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Other manufacturers do not have that luxury.
They can find some margin in using a rolling Arch distro instead of paying for Windows, Gabe helpfully provided the template that you can reuse.
I am not aware that you are able to use SteamOS on anything that isnt an AMD CPU and GPU (only APU?).
If it’s not yet generally available for any hardware combination it would be very tempting to switch.
Already used the desktop of the deck quite a bit to customize some behaviour (automatic start of syncthing after (game-mode) boot to sync save states to my PC, EmuDeck, emulators in general) -
If only there was something to be done to slash the price while not losing anything important like using an OS that is FREE… But alas, there’s no such thing, I guess we’ll have to stick with windows, adding the license price to a hardware that is already expensive…
Who supports that?
At least Windows is only one plattform in comparison to the bazillion linux-distros.Same issue devs face with consoles vs PCs.
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I mean, I don’t know valve’s margins but strategically they could sell steam decks at a loss and still come out ahead.
I believe some youtubers mentioned (maybe Tyler McVicker or some other in the space) that they are razor sharp margins and border on being profitable just like a console manufacturer.
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I wouldn’t compare a Steam Deck with living accommodations, but ok.
I don’t. I’m just telling another example of the ‘free’ market.
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This is nothing new. Before the steam deck came out, Handheld PCs have already been
overpricedexpensive. Other manufacturers haven’t bothered about affordability before, during ot after the steam deck.That said, Gabe Newell said the steam deck was priced “painfully”, which means they probably had very low margins on the hardware and are making it back on sales on their store. Other manufacturers do not have that luxury.
Steam Deck hits a sweet spot. You can make it more powerful, but it’ll cost significantly more. You can make it cheaper, but you’ll cut out too many games people want to play.
Also, anything like this with a resolution higher than 720p is wasting pixels and GPU power, IMO.
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Who supports that?
At least Windows is only one plattform in comparison to the bazillion linux-distros.Same issue devs face with consoles vs PCs.
Tell me you know don’t jack about linux without telling me you don’t know jack about linux in 25 words or less.
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let’s say that you can only trust iPhone as “paradigm of safety” (lol)
Feel free to research the consensus opinion by cybersecurity professionals instead of just continously showing off your own ignorance.
what are your kids doing that need of the highest tier phone to guarantee the highest level of security
They, as human beings, have the right to their privacy.
You just answered my previous question; “Do you consider kids to be actual people?”; and the answer is apparently “no”.
Btw, you don’t get the newest high end iPhone for 900 EUR. You might want to get a lot more facts behind your arguments before trying to show off online.
So many words to not answer even one of my questions, “expert”.
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So many words to not answer even one of my questions, “expert”.
Why should I answer when those questions include statements that aren’t true? (That’s called the “loaded question” fallacy, btw).
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-question
900 EUR is what the previous iPhone model, in its lowest configuration, costs atm. Compare to your “highest tier” which is part of the question you want me to answer.
Answer this instead: Why is it so important for you to voice opinions on things you know nothing about on the Internet?
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Tell me you know don’t jack about linux without telling me you don’t know jack about linux in 25 words or less.
Well then: Clear it up.
I run headless debian VMs at home on a proxmox HV and another NUC with Debian that does Docker tasks.
My steckdeck runs the stock OS and am not scared to tinker within it.Never assumed to be a pro and would consider an amateur at best that isnt scared to tinker.
It’s just that I prefer convenience most of the time.So then. These are my cards. Explain what I learned wrong about the fractured linux ecosystem.
So far I know that Arch, Debian and RHEL the biggest distro families are.Edit: Very helpful. Downvoting instead of telling me where I am wrong.
(Yes my comment was provocative but absolutelynotavelociraptor@sh.itjust.works should just tell where I am wrong if they are so sure of themselve). -
why cant valve optimise their new games specifically for their
hardwaresteam deck? why is that impossible? -
I doubt Windows is the reason these are more expensive. Microsoft wants Windows in the handheld PC space, so they are likely to provide licenses for free and likely help subsidize the costs a bit, especially if they include trials for gamepass.
Except that Windows versions of the same handheld are more expensive.
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Other manufacturers do not have that luxury.
They can find some margin in using a rolling Arch distro instead of paying for Windows, Gabe helpfully provided the template that you can reuse.
Which if anything is other manufacturers benefiting from the R&D that Valve have done with Proton and just making it freely available to anyone.
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All the kids i know either have hand-me-down phones or new phones that’re at most mid-range or multiple generations old. I.E. the large majority of kids aren’t using 900 dollar phones
OK? Give it a couple more years and I bet you’ll start seeing that with handheld PC’s too
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Why should I answer when those questions include statements that aren’t true? (That’s called the “loaded question” fallacy, btw).
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-question
900 EUR is what the previous iPhone model, in its lowest configuration, costs atm. Compare to your “highest tier” which is part of the question you want me to answer.
Answer this instead: Why is it so important for you to voice opinions on things you know nothing about on the Internet?
And yet, you still haven’t answered my question: what gives you a 900€ phone in terms of security that a cheaper phone with grapheneOS or a cheaper iphone won’t give you? But keep going with your “i’m the expert” attitude, you are really, REALLY educating me
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why cant valve optimise their new games specifically for their
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valve can optimize their games for a steam deck. The steam deck isnt theirs?
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I mean, I don’t know valve’s margins but strategically they could sell steam decks at a loss and still come out ahead.
100%
Before I bought a steam deck I hadn’t used steam in years. Now I’ve bought like 20 games… Its a great way to get people on steam who otherwise wouldnt be interested.
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Who supports that?
At least Windows is only one plattform in comparison to the bazillion linux-distros.Same issue devs face with consoles vs PCs.
Steam on Linux defaults to providing a container based standard Linux environment which is independent of the underlying OS, providing access to all the expected software libraries and OS calls that games need to run.
This is integrated into SteamOS. It’s also available via Steam on any other Linux distro. (And if you wanted to you could cut that part out and run it without Steam.)
When running Windows games it even runs Proton within this container environment.
That gives you a single very predictable and version controlled software environment.
Meanwhile Windows randomly deprecates stuff that somebody might have invested tons of development effort into (silverlight, mixed reality, etc)
