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🧵 Erich von Däniken is dead, aged 90.

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  • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

    🧵 Erich von Däniken is dead, aged 90. Many of my generation will remember him as a proponent of the pseudoscientific 'ancient aliens' theory, just one of the many sensationalist supernatural topics that flooded culture in the 1970s.
    I've had this book since I was a little kid.

    #ancientaliens

    Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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    @Richard_Littler Just noting that there's a very skeevy racist subtext running just below the surface of Von Daniken's thesis—that ancient people *couldn't* have built the monumental structures they left behind, so they must have been "helped" by aliens (clearly white savior-coded).

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    • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

      🧵 Erich von Däniken is dead, aged 90. Many of my generation will remember him as a proponent of the pseudoscientific 'ancient aliens' theory, just one of the many sensationalist supernatural topics that flooded culture in the 1970s.
      I've had this book since I was a little kid.

      #ancientaliens

      dlundhD This user is from outside of this forum
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      @Richard_Littler oh man. I remember it well.

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      • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

        When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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        Nearby, he even has his own walking path based around the events of his life.

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        • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

          When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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          Simon Cox :SEO:S This user is from outside of this forum
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          @Richard_Littler
          Oh i remember this from your photos - I spent an hour or more on Google Maps walking through the complex! Fascinating!

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          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

            @Richard_Littler Just noting that there's a very skeevy racist subtext running just below the surface of Von Daniken's thesis—that ancient people *couldn't* have built the monumental structures they left behind, so they must have been "helped" by aliens (clearly white savior-coded).

            Richard LittlerR This user is from outside of this forum
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            @cstross Just one example among a great litany of things wrong with his books/theories.

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            • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

              Däniken's 'paleo-contact' claims of extraterrestrial influences on early human development, attracted a dedicated following, despite his earlier convictions for theft, fraud and embezzlement (and robust debunking of his theories). Films, soundtracks, and even prog concept albums followed his books.

              Tor LillqvistT This user is from outside of this forum
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              @Richard_Littler Some white people are desperate to believe anything to avoid having to realise that ancient brown people have constructed impressive monuments.

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              • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

                When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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                @Richard_Littler

                I have never heard of this and just found out, it's near Interlaken and around a children's fun fair, called "Mysty Land".

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                Mysty Land - Grösster Indoor- und Outdoor-Spielplatz im Berner Oberland

                Das Mysty Land ist ein zauberhafter Ort, an dem Kinderaugen zum Funkeln gebracht werden und Erwachsene wieder zu Kindern werden. Auf dem Trampolin, in der Hüpfburg oder im Ballpool kommt auch der Spass garantiert nicht zu kurz.

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                • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

                  When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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                  @Richard_Littler For a while he was going to open another theme park, in Blackpool. (It dead-ended around 2014. I used it in one of my novels …)

                  I am now imagining the consequences if he'd commissioned H. R. Giger to design the interiors.

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                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                    @Richard_Littler Just noting that there's a very skeevy racist subtext running just below the surface of Von Daniken's thesis—that ancient people *couldn't* have built the monumental structures they left behind, so they must have been "helped" by aliens (clearly white savior-coded).

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                    @cstross @Richard_Littler I've met the guy back in 2004 when his bizarre theme park was relatively new. Some analogue shots right off the Migros Picture CD-ROM in this thread: https://mastodon.social/deck/@guenterhack/115877370682477543

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                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                      @Richard_Littler Just noting that there's a very skeevy racist subtext running just below the surface of Von Daniken's thesis—that ancient people *couldn't* have built the monumental structures they left behind, so they must have been "helped" by aliens (clearly white savior-coded).

                      dataramaD This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @cstross @Richard_Littler It's curious that the Egyptians and Maya had to have some help from aliens but the Romans didn't, isn't it?

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                      • dataramaD datarama

                        @cstross @Richard_Littler It's curious that the Egyptians and Maya had to have some help from aliens but the Romans didn't, isn't it?

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                        @datarama @Richard_Littler Exactly this.

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                        • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

                          When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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                          @Richard_Littler Cool buildings!

                          I think I read one of his books as a teen. Can't remember which one though. A remember reading a lot of Charles Berlitz, which seems the same type of genre, just about the Bermuda Triangle.

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                          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                            @Richard_Littler For a while he was going to open another theme park, in Blackpool. (It dead-ended around 2014. I used it in one of my novels …)

                            I am now imagining the consequences if he'd commissioned H. R. Giger to design the interiors.

                            Richard LittlerR This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @cstross Now, that concept worked out *much* better.
                            My photos of the Giger-designed bar in Gruyères...

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                            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                              @Richard_Littler Just noting that there's a very skeevy racist subtext running just below the surface of Von Daniken's thesis—that ancient people *couldn't* have built the monumental structures they left behind, so they must have been "helped" by aliens (clearly white savior-coded).

                              Isaac Ji KuoI This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @cstross @Richard_Littler Back when colonialist white supremacist racism sold well. The whole racist "ancient aliens" thing has stuck around in the decades since, but not in such profitable form I think.

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                              • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

                                When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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                                @Richard_Littler We had raves there.

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                                • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

                                  @cstross Just one example among a great litany of things wrong with his books/theories.

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                                  @Richard_Littler @cstross also as a treat "Erich von Däniken weg" means "Erich von Däniken gone"

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                                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                    @Richard_Littler For a while he was going to open another theme park, in Blackpool. (It dead-ended around 2014. I used it in one of my novels …)

                                    I am now imagining the consequences if he'd commissioned H. R. Giger to design the interiors.

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                                    @cstross @Richard_Littler I'm imagining something like the Shandor building in the original Ghostbusters film, where the architecture makes it part of a summoning gateway.

                                    It's a real building, too, though somewhat altered via film magic for the movie.

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                                    • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

                                      @cstross Now, that concept worked out *much* better.
                                      My photos of the Giger-designed bar in Gruyères...

                                      Julian SchwarzenbachJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @Richard_Littler @cstross It's quite a place, isn't it? We went with one person who was not at all into the Alien movies who found it 'difficult'!

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                                      • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

                                        When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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                                        @Richard_Littler oooooh, that's interesting. Any contact between that guy and Claude Vorilhon (also known as Raël)?

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                                        • Julian SchwarzenbachJ Julian Schwarzenbach

                                          @Richard_Littler @cstross It's quite a place, isn't it? We went with one person who was not at all into the Alien movies who found it 'difficult'!

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                                          @jschwa1 @Richard_Littler @cstross

                                          I don't mind Alien movies, but I still find it difficult even to look at the pictures, and I did have a Giger poster calendar once upon a time.

                                          The mental image of imagining me sitting on one of those chairs, and imagining such scenes exist somewhere in the galaxy, way way far away is quite different in outcome.

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