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🧵 Erich von Däniken is dead, aged 90.

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  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

    @Richard_Littler Just noting that there's a very skeevy racist subtext running just below the surface of Von Daniken's thesis—that ancient people *couldn't* have built the monumental structures they left behind, so they must have been "helped" by aliens (clearly white savior-coded).

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    @cstross @Richard_Littler It's curious that the Egyptians and Maya had to have some help from aliens but the Romans didn't, isn't it?

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    • dataramaD datarama

      @cstross @Richard_Littler It's curious that the Egyptians and Maya had to have some help from aliens but the Romans didn't, isn't it?

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      @datarama @Richard_Littler Exactly this.

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      • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

        When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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        @Richard_Littler Cool buildings!

        I think I read one of his books as a teen. Can't remember which one though. A remember reading a lot of Charles Berlitz, which seems the same type of genre, just about the Bermuda Triangle.

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        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

          @Richard_Littler For a while he was going to open another theme park, in Blackpool. (It dead-ended around 2014. I used it in one of my novels …)

          I am now imagining the consequences if he'd commissioned H. R. Giger to design the interiors.

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          @cstross Now, that concept worked out *much* better.
          My photos of the Giger-designed bar in Gruyères...

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          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

            @Richard_Littler Just noting that there's a very skeevy racist subtext running just below the surface of Von Daniken's thesis—that ancient people *couldn't* have built the monumental structures they left behind, so they must have been "helped" by aliens (clearly white savior-coded).

            Isaac Ji KuoI This user is from outside of this forum
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            @cstross @Richard_Littler Back when colonialist white supremacist racism sold well. The whole racist "ancient aliens" thing has stuck around in the decades since, but not in such profitable form I think.

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            • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

              When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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              @Richard_Littler We had raves there.

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              • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

                @cstross Just one example among a great litany of things wrong with his books/theories.

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                @Richard_Littler @cstross also as a treat "Erich von Däniken weg" means "Erich von Däniken gone"

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                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                  @Richard_Littler For a while he was going to open another theme park, in Blackpool. (It dead-ended around 2014. I used it in one of my novels …)

                  I am now imagining the consequences if he'd commissioned H. R. Giger to design the interiors.

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                  @cstross @Richard_Littler I'm imagining something like the Shandor building in the original Ghostbusters film, where the architecture makes it part of a summoning gateway.

                  It's a real building, too, though somewhat altered via film magic for the movie.

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                  • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

                    @cstross Now, that concept worked out *much* better.
                    My photos of the Giger-designed bar in Gruyères...

                    Julian SchwarzenbachJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @Richard_Littler @cstross It's quite a place, isn't it? We went with one person who was not at all into the Alien movies who found it 'difficult'!

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                    • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

                      When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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                      @Richard_Littler oooooh, that's interesting. Any contact between that guy and Claude Vorilhon (also known as Raël)?

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                      • Julian SchwarzenbachJ Julian Schwarzenbach

                        @Richard_Littler @cstross It's quite a place, isn't it? We went with one person who was not at all into the Alien movies who found it 'difficult'!

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                        @jschwa1 @Richard_Littler @cstross

                        I don't mind Alien movies, but I still find it difficult even to look at the pictures, and I did have a Giger poster calendar once upon a time.

                        The mental image of imagining me sitting on one of those chairs, and imagining such scenes exist somewhere in the galaxy, way way far away is quite different in outcome.

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                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                          @Richard_Littler Just noting that there's a very skeevy racist subtext running just below the surface of Von Daniken's thesis—that ancient people *couldn't* have built the monumental structures they left behind, so they must have been "helped" by aliens (clearly white savior-coded).

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                          @cstross @Richard_Littler Ugh, my old man was well into this stuff, to the extent that he'd nod-and-wink that anyone who knew what they were talking about (eg. contemporary scientists like Hawking) must be an alien. Which isn't really helpful when your own son is doing a physics degree, is it?

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                          • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

                            🧵 Erich von Däniken is dead, aged 90. Many of my generation will remember him as a proponent of the pseudoscientific 'ancient aliens' theory, just one of the many sensationalist supernatural topics that flooded culture in the 1970s.
                            I've had this book since I was a little kid.

                            #ancientaliens

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                            RE: https://mastodon.social/@Richard_Littler/115882082456309865

                            @Richard_Littler my favorite way to approach him, sitchin etc is as a separate and wonderful form of sci-fi

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                            • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

                              When I moved to Switzerland, I discovered he was a local. He built an 'ancient mysteries' theme park, which soon failed, but the buildings still stand. I took some photos a couple of years ago.

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                              @Richard_Littler I actually went there when it was operational. Not intentionally mind you, someone else had organised the trip and I only learned what it was when I entered.
                              Mostly standard themepark rides all garnished with the odd "ancient aliens" stick. You could tell they poured a lot of money into it though.

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                              • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

                                🧵 Erich von Däniken is dead, aged 90. Many of my generation will remember him as a proponent of the pseudoscientific 'ancient aliens' theory, just one of the many sensationalist supernatural topics that flooded culture in the 1970s.
                                I've had this book since I was a little kid.

                                #ancientaliens

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                                @Richard_Littler A total fraud but a rich, successful fraud As an ex-archaeologist I found him but annoying but fair play to him, I suppose. He certainly tapped into the zeitgeist and there are people making bank today with much less entertaining and fun theories than he opined. And he had a cool name too which helps.

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                                • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

                                  🧵 Erich von Däniken is dead, aged 90. Many of my generation will remember him as a proponent of the pseudoscientific 'ancient aliens' theory, just one of the many sensationalist supernatural topics that flooded culture in the 1970s.
                                  I've had this book since I was a little kid.

                                  #ancientaliens

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                                  @Richard_Littler Same, and that's also just what my copy looks like. Tough to believe someone that well written is cray cray when you are 12 ya know?

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                                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                    @Richard_Littler For a while he was going to open another theme park, in Blackpool. (It dead-ended around 2014. I used it in one of my novels …)

                                    I am now imagining the consequences if he'd commissioned H. R. Giger to design the interiors.

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                                    @cstross @Richard_Littler There’s a Giger museum and café in Gruyères:

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                                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                      @datarama @Richard_Littler Exactly this.

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                                      @cstross @datarama @Richard_Littler See also Great Zimbabwe (not mentioned in the article but aliens were also postulated as the origin at one point as well; anything and anyone so long as it wasn't black people):

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                                      • Isaac Ji KuoI Isaac Ji Kuo

                                        @cstross @Richard_Littler Back when colonialist white supremacist racism sold well. The whole racist "ancient aliens" thing has stuck around in the decades since, but not in such profitable form I think.

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                                        @isaackuo @cstross @Richard_Littler Maybe not quite so profitable but Graham Hancock has still made a lot of money and been given a highish profile perpetuating the same racist pseudoscience in the past few decades: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Hancock

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                                        • Richard LittlerR Richard Littler

                                          🧵 Erich von Däniken is dead, aged 90. Many of my generation will remember him as a proponent of the pseudoscientific 'ancient aliens' theory, just one of the many sensationalist supernatural topics that flooded culture in the 1970s.
                                          I've had this book since I was a little kid.

                                          #ancientaliens

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                                          @Richard_Littler
                                          Co-writer & editor was a literal NAZI. I didn't know that till yesterday.
                                          It all makes more sense now, the "Indigenous peoples can't do the clever stuff" A White Supremacist Ideology makes more sense of it,

                                          I read "Chariot of the Gods" in 1972 approx.
                                          Very plausible if you are ignorant.
                                          I read a good debunking maybe the next year.
                                          Debunked over 50 years ago and yet was on a Digital Pay TV "factual" channel in UK & Ireland.

                                          It was also dishonest in the presentation of facts!

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