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I am losing it at how many of my peers have forgotten what software engineering is.

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  • ROTOPE~1 :yell:R ROTOPE~1 :yell:

    @bert_hubert it is also indenting lines of code

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    @rotopenguin @bert_hubert Found the Python and Fortran enjoyer

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    • BlackIkeEagleB BlackIkeEagle

      @bert_hubert <sarcasm>Are you not happy with progress? Just architect something and the LLM will even review itself. We no longer need those annoying "why this, why that" people anymore. Move fast and .... who knows</sarcasm>

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      @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert all joking aside, most large software companies now have automation pipelines that do exactly that: take a Bug off the queue, propose a fix, compile, run unit tests, run regression suites, review and comment the implementation, write up the fix make the patch ready for review.

      Sure they only cleanly fix a fraction of the bugs. But that fraction is increasing.

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      • NymnympseudonymN Nymnympseudonym

        @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert all joking aside, most large software companies now have automation pipelines that do exactly that: take a Bug off the queue, propose a fix, compile, run unit tests, run regression suites, review and comment the implementation, write up the fix make the patch ready for review.

        Sure they only cleanly fix a fraction of the bugs. But that fraction is increasing.

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        @Nymnympseudonymm @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert Are the bugs that trivial? The kind I run into are "router drops packets every 55 seconds when packets per second exceeds 900"

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          @Nymnympseudonymm @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert Are the bugs that trivial? The kind I run into are "router drops packets every 55 seconds when packets per second exceeds 900"

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          @StumpyTheMutt @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert typical example: program dumps core under crazy ass stress coverage test

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          • Stumpy The MuttS Stumpy The Mutt

            @Nymnympseudonymm @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert Are the bugs that trivial? The kind I run into are "router drops packets every 55 seconds when packets per second exceeds 900"

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            @StumpyTheMutt @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert and whether your packet drops can be repro'd, what skills you have written up, how good your design docs are

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            • bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦B bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦

              I am losing it at how many of my peers have forgotten what software engineering is. It is not typing in lines of code.

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              @bert_hubert Software engineering maybe isn't LOC, but it does require knowing vaguely what's happening in a program you claim you wrote.

              I'll stick to writing lines of code.

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              • bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦B bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦

                I am losing it at how many of my peers have forgotten what software engineering is. It is not typing in lines of code.

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                @bert_hubert not directly related but this reminds me of the time a client got mad that i deleted some code in the process of refactoring because "they paid for that code"

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                • andrybakA andrybak

                  @bert_hubert that's right, it is actually mostly typing in Slack and MS Teams messages /joke

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                  @andrybak @bert_hubert Lets not forget digging through jira for hours going "oh wait, heres a related... oh fuck this even worse than I thought" over and over again

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                  • bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦B bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦

                    I am losing it at how many of my peers have forgotten what software engineering is. It is not typing in lines of code.

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                    @bert_hubert

                    Of course not, that's for the olds. It has something to do with vibing.
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                    • bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦B bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦

                      I am losing it at how many of my peers have forgotten what software engineering is. It is not typing in lines of code.

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                      @bert_hubert Pfft no. It's Jira. <runs>

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                      • NymnympseudonymN Nymnympseudonym

                        @StumpyTheMutt @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert and whether your packet drops can be repro'd, what skills you have written up, how good your design docs are

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                        @Nymnympseudonymm @StumpyTheMutt @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert I dare say that a lot of the investigation has been done to identify the behavioral problem by the time you get to this point. I think this work effort is where much over hyped automation fails.

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                        • AnthonyA Anthony
                          @bert_hubert@eupolicy.social This really makes me wonder whether the decades of constant blog posts about method, such as software craftsmanship, *-driven design, agile, extreme programming, etc etc etc (event sourcing, the hexagonal architecture, etc etc etc etc etc dear lord there are so many), were all, ultimately, not serious. If a single technological advance coupled with hype and corporate pressure is enough to convince people to throw all of that out, how serious could it have been, really?
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                          @abucci @bert_hubert the people that researched and authored said blogs were very serious. Sadly many of those paying said authors to do the work that prompted the articles weren’t equally serious.

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