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Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

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  • Klaus FrankA Klaus Frank

    @cstross

    Or in other words "Why AI is writing in corporate speech"

    Dаn̈ıel Раršlow 🥧P This user is from outside of this forum
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    Dаn̈ıel Раršlow 🥧
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    @agowa338 @cstross

    Depends what level of the corporation you''re speaking to. Management and marketing hype is in some ways the opposite, with a heavy use of "signaling" words that serve little informational purpose, rather they are meant to leave an impression. Think "disruptive", or "leverage" used as a verb...

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    • maliceM malice

      @JdeBP @cstross At a glance, that article looks like much saner writing than the register one at least

      Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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      Charlie Stross
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      @malice @JdeBP The Register is a news site: everything has to be flensed and filed down to fit in a standard format and voice. That piece is probably all that's left of an original that was three times the length.

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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

        (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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        AaronS This user is from outside of this forum
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        Aaron
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        #21

        @cstross there’s worse related things.

        We come to see anything that the AI can not and does not produce as invalid and thus reading these bullshit, taupe texts shrinks our creative range, our sense of the possible, and our willingness to forge our own path or follow someone else blazing their own.

        Narrowing the range of semantics to an average is one thing.

        Strangling our range of ideas is another.

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        • Dаn̈ıel Раršlow 🥧P Dаn̈ıel Раršlow 🥧

          @agowa338 @cstross

          Depends what level of the corporation you''re speaking to. Management and marketing hype is in some ways the opposite, with a heavy use of "signaling" words that serve little informational purpose, rather they are meant to leave an impression. Think "disruptive", or "leverage" used as a verb...

          Klaus FrankA This user is from outside of this forum
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          Klaus Frank
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          @pieist @cstross

          Well but you'll still notice that they're using a bunch of words to say nothing legally binding at all in the end...

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          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

            Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

            (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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            @cstross It is impossible to replace the human experience with a machine. The moment by its nature is sancrosanct; it's only in this atmosphere of gaming real estate insanity where life's nature is just another bitcoin to earn where we have lost our way.

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            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

              Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

              (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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              @cstross

              I can’t help seeing in that elements of 1984 where Orwell describes successive reduction in vocabulary with the intended goal of making rebellious thought impossible

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              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                Dave Duchene (he/him)D This user is from outside of this forum
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                Dave Duchene (he/him)
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                @cstross the new Newspeak

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                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                  Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                  (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                  Johanna, CanCon variant
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                  @cstross neat article, thanks.

                  I had a realization a while ago that LLM writing came at me with the same vibe I caught when I was briefly a teacher, and again in the workplace, where I dealt with people who had unacknowledged literacy challenges. Young folks who assembled written work by cribbing from others and rearranging words “by shape” to fulfill the requirements - always managed to convey zero meaningful thought.

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                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                    Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                    (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                    Ryek Darkener
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                    @cstross

                    Of cause it does. So the result becomes more and more readable for the deliberately uneducated masses. Style? Content? Facts? Who cares?

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                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                      Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                      (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                      @cstross

                      If you use an LLM to make “objective” decisions or treat it like a reliable partner, you’re almost inevitably stepping into a script that you did not consent to: the optimized, legible, rational agent who behaves in ways that are easy to narrate and evaluate. If you step outside of that script, you can only be framed as incoherent.

                      That style can masquerade as truth because humans are pattern-matchers: we often read smoothness as competence and friction as failure. But rupture in the form of contradiction, uncertainty, “I don’t know yet,” or grief that doesn’t resolve is often is the truthful shape of the thing itself.

                      AI is part of the apparatus that makes truth feel like an aesthetic choice instead of a rupture. That optimization function operates as capture because it encourages you to keep talking to the AI in its format, where pain becomes language and language becomes manageable.

                      The only solution is to refuse legibility.

                      It's already beginning, where people speak the same words as always, but they don't mean the same things anymore from person to person.

                      New information from feedback that doesn't fit another's collapsed constraints for abstraction... can only be perceived as a threat. Because If you demand truth from a system whose objective is stability under stress, it will treat truth as destabilizing noise.

                      Reality is what makes a claim expensive. A model tries to make a claim cheap.

                      Systems that treat closure as safety will converge to smooth, repeatable outputs that erase the remainder. A useful intervention is one that increases the observer’s ability to detect and resist premature convergence by exposing the hidden cost of smoothness and reinstating a legitimate place for uncertainty, contradiction, and falsifiability. But the intervention only remains non-doctrinal if it produces discriminative practice, not portable slogans.

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                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                        Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                        (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                        @cstross by putting a measurable number on this feature, you have now made it possible to train out!

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                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                          Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                          (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                          @cstross I've previously described LLM-generated text as reading like "a middle management memo that no-one bothers reading". 🤷🏻‍♂️

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                          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                            Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                            (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                            grrl_aex
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                            @cstross

                            Gen ai and llms are the tools of fascism.

                            How?

                            Through ENSTUPIFACATION.

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                            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                              Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                              (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                              @cstross it's the textual equivalent of prions

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                              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                                (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                                @cstross

                                nicely described by Orwell as

                                'NewSpeak'

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                                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                  Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                                  (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                                  @cstross Neural networks, by mathematical nature, are lossy information-compressing artefacts !

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                                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                    Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                                    (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                                    @cstross No surprise that we see the textual equivalent of mad cow disease.

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                                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                      @malice @JdeBP The Register is a news site: everything has to be flensed and filed down to fit in a standard format and voice. That piece is probably all that's left of an original that was three times the length.

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                                      @malice @JdeBP @cstross That's fair. However, repeatedly including certain types of sentence construction - appealing or not - makes it look dodgy. Or just trolling. 😉

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                                      • Peter KrausP Peter Kraus

                                        @malice @JdeBP @cstross That's fair. However, repeatedly including certain types of sentence construction - appealing or not - makes it look dodgy. Or just trolling. 😉

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                                        @pkraus @malice @JdeBP I've been reading The Reg since 1997 or thereabouts. Their house style has history behind it, not LLMs. (I suspect they'd cop to trolling from time to time, though.)

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                                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                          Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                                          (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                                          @cstross ironically got a Google cloud genAI and ML ad right in the middle of that.

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