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  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

    Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

    (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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    Dave Duchene (he/him)D This user is from outside of this forum
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    Dave Duchene (he/him)
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    @cstross the new Newspeak

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    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

      Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

      (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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      Johanna, CanCon variantJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      Johanna, CanCon variant
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      @cstross neat article, thanks.

      I had a realization a while ago that LLM writing came at me with the same vibe I caught when I was briefly a teacher, and again in the workplace, where I dealt with people who had unacknowledged literacy challenges. Young folks who assembled written work by cribbing from others and rearranging words “by shape” to fulfill the requirements - always managed to convey zero meaningful thought.

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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

        (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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        Ryek Darkener_ This user is from outside of this forum
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        Ryek Darkener
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        @cstross

        Of cause it does. So the result becomes more and more readable for the deliberately uneducated masses. Style? Content? Facts? Who cares?

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        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

          Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

          (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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          @cstross

          If you use an LLM to make “objective” decisions or treat it like a reliable partner, you’re almost inevitably stepping into a script that you did not consent to: the optimized, legible, rational agent who behaves in ways that are easy to narrate and evaluate. If you step outside of that script, you can only be framed as incoherent.

          That style can masquerade as truth because humans are pattern-matchers: we often read smoothness as competence and friction as failure. But rupture in the form of contradiction, uncertainty, “I don’t know yet,” or grief that doesn’t resolve is often is the truthful shape of the thing itself.

          AI is part of the apparatus that makes truth feel like an aesthetic choice instead of a rupture. That optimization function operates as capture because it encourages you to keep talking to the AI in its format, where pain becomes language and language becomes manageable.

          The only solution is to refuse legibility.

          It's already beginning, where people speak the same words as always, but they don't mean the same things anymore from person to person.

          New information from feedback that doesn't fit another's collapsed constraints for abstraction... can only be perceived as a threat. Because If you demand truth from a system whose objective is stability under stress, it will treat truth as destabilizing noise.

          Reality is what makes a claim expensive. A model tries to make a claim cheap.

          Systems that treat closure as safety will converge to smooth, repeatable outputs that erase the remainder. A useful intervention is one that increases the observer’s ability to detect and resist premature convergence by exposing the hidden cost of smoothness and reinstating a legitimate place for uncertainty, contradiction, and falsifiability. But the intervention only remains non-doctrinal if it produces discriminative practice, not portable slogans.

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          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

            Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

            (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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            Mayday! Mayday! RobotS This user is from outside of this forum
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            Mayday! Mayday! Robot
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            @cstross by putting a measurable number on this feature, you have now made it possible to train out!

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            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

              Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

              (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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              The Sleight Doctor 🃏A This user is from outside of this forum
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              The Sleight Doctor 🃏
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              #30

              @cstross I've previously described LLM-generated text as reading like "a middle management memo that no-one bothers reading". 🤷🏻‍♂️

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              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                grrl_aex
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                @cstross

                Gen ai and llms are the tools of fascism.

                How?

                Through ENSTUPIFACATION.

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                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                  Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                  (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                  @cstross it's the textual equivalent of prions

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                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                    Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                    (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                    @cstross

                    nicely described by Orwell as

                    'NewSpeak'

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                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                      Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                      (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                      0gust1
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                      @cstross Neural networks, by mathematical nature, are lossy information-compressing artefacts !

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                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                        Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                        (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                        Phil Stevens :tinoflag:P This user is from outside of this forum
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                        Phil Stevens :tinoflag:
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                        @cstross No surprise that we see the textual equivalent of mad cow disease.

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                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                          @malice @JdeBP The Register is a news site: everything has to be flensed and filed down to fit in a standard format and voice. That piece is probably all that's left of an original that was three times the length.

                          Peter KrausP This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Peter Kraus
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                          @malice @JdeBP @cstross That's fair. However, repeatedly including certain types of sentence construction - appealing or not - makes it look dodgy. Or just trolling. 😉

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                          • Peter KrausP Peter Kraus

                            @malice @JdeBP @cstross That's fair. However, repeatedly including certain types of sentence construction - appealing or not - makes it look dodgy. Or just trolling. 😉

                            Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                            Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                            Charlie Stross
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                            @pkraus @malice @JdeBP I've been reading The Reg since 1997 or thereabouts. Their house style has history behind it, not LLMs. (I suspect they'd cop to trolling from time to time, though.)

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                            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                              Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                              (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                              Marianne
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                              @cstross ironically got a Google cloud genAI and ML ad right in the middle of that.

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                              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                                (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                                jmj
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                                @cstross hmmm, that might also explain why AI seems more effective for code.
                                For the most part you want a reversion to the mean in code. Novel solutions are only needed at the cutting edge where you trying to make the computer do something that’s not been done before.

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                                  @cstross hmmm, that might also explain why AI seems more effective for code.
                                  For the most part you want a reversion to the mean in code. Novel solutions are only needed at the cutting edge where you trying to make the computer do something that’s not been done before.

                                  Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  Charlie Stross
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                                  @Jmj Yes. Also I suspect the semantic expressiveness of programming languages is far narrower than that of human languages: they're more precise, but it's much harder (though not impossible!) to write poetry in them. So there's less risk of losing something unique by generating output that tends to occupy the middle of the bell curve.

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                                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                    @Jmj Yes. Also I suspect the semantic expressiveness of programming languages is far narrower than that of human languages: they're more precise, but it's much harder (though not impossible!) to write poetry in them. So there's less risk of losing something unique by generating output that tends to occupy the middle of the bell curve.

                                    Chris (so far)P This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    Chris (so far)
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                                    @cstross @Jmj I mean I think one could make a coherent argument that programming *is* poetry: reduced syntax, enforced structure, heavy use of metaphor…

                                    It’s just most programming topics make Vogon poetry look exciting.
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                                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                      Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                                      (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                                      Colin Rowat
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                                      @cstross "Model collapse", Shumailov, Shumaylov & Papernot (2024), Nature : https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07566-y

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                                      • Chris (so far)P Chris (so far)
                                        @cstross @Jmj I mean I think one could make a coherent argument that programming *is* poetry: reduced syntax, enforced structure, heavy use of metaphor…

                                        It’s just most programming topics make Vogon poetry look exciting.
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                                        jmj
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                                        @perigrin @cstross but I think in the code case the subtle semantics of the words and combinations are less likely to be the important or desirable aspects, whereas in poetry it’s likely that those aspects are precisely the desired meaning.

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                                        • Sassinake! - ⊃∪∩⪽S Sassinake! - ⊃∪∩⪽

                                          @cstross

                                          nicely described by Orwell as

                                          'NewSpeak'

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                                          @Sassinake @cstross 👍 "duck speak"

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