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When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

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  • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

    When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

    Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

    We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

    I find that profoundly shameful.

    El IndifferenteE This user is from outside of this forum
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    El Indifferente
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    @randahl Can't add anything to that.

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    • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

      When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

      Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

      We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

      I find that profoundly shameful.

      IlkaI This user is from outside of this forum
      IlkaI This user is from outside of this forum
      Ilka
      wrote last edited by
      #6

      @randahl I agree with you a 100%. 😰 And I do not understand.

      There has to be a money trail we cannot see - to every inexplicability, money is always the answer. No exceptions. I cannot see it in this war.

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      • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

        When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

        Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

        We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

        I find that profoundly shameful.

        C This user is from outside of this forum
        C This user is from outside of this forum
        Cress
        wrote last edited by
        #7

        @randahl Agreed, but it does not stop private support. In the last 3 years I donated 1000s in equipment, winter supplies and cash. Just find your local Ukraine charity or donate via many mechanisms online.

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        • IlkaI Ilka

          @randahl I agree with you a 100%. 😰 And I do not understand.

          There has to be a money trail we cannot see - to every inexplicability, money is always the answer. No exceptions. I cannot see it in this war.

          Miha MarkičM This user is from outside of this forum
          Miha MarkičM This user is from outside of this forum
          Miha Markič
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          #8

          @Ilka4You @randahl War creates money, not peace, so slow and steady one is perfect. Let's help Ukraine just enough they are able to create a weak status quo.

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          • C Cress

            @randahl Agreed, but it does not stop private support. In the last 3 years I donated 1000s in equipment, winter supplies and cash. Just find your local Ukraine charity or donate via many mechanisms online.

            Randahl FinkR This user is from outside of this forum
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            Randahl Fink
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            @CressSalad I donated too.

            But I cannot donate 1 million soldiers and the entire western air force. For that we need a war plan.

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            • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

              When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

              Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

              We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

              I find that profoundly shameful.

              Michael McWilliamsM This user is from outside of this forum
              Michael McWilliamsM This user is from outside of this forum
              Michael McWilliams
              wrote last edited by
              #10

              @randahl No more shameful than we Americans have responded. You are learning and adapting. I'm sorry we Americans are just making it worse.

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              • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

                Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

                We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

                I find that profoundly shameful.

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                Old_IT_geek I voted Yes
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                @randahl don’t forget you have had the USA going hot and cold,dragging its feet, limiting the capabilities of it technology, switching off critical technology and refusing to go all out. The USA doesn’t want Ukraine to win or more accurately doesn’t want Russia to lose.
                Europe and the rest of the world has learnt, You can never trust a Seppo.

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                • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                  When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

                  Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

                  We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

                  I find that profoundly shameful.

                  Nicole ParsonsN This user is from outside of this forum
                  Nicole ParsonsN This user is from outside of this forum
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                    What's even more disgraceful is how Ukraine is being used to test the next generation of weapons for WW3.

                    They aren't guinea pigs in a lab.

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                    • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                      When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

                      Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

                      We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

                      I find that profoundly shameful.

                      Dave 🐶C This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @randahl The problem is that other nations' leaders either believed Putin's threats about escalation "if NATO joined", and/or they feared internal political detriment if their nation's soldiers were killed.

                      We don't have leaders, we have politicians.

                      Although it probably would have only taken one other nation to commit troops for all others to quickly go "oh, yes, we will too" - but since no one did take that step.

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                      • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                        When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

                        Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

                        We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

                        I find that profoundly shameful.

                        Alfa5A This user is from outside of this forum
                        Alfa5A This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @randahl Ucrania y luego ha llegado Mr. Trump y la geopolítica mundial ha cambiado radilcamente. La guerra de Putin contra Ucrania pasó a ser una guerra de tanques y se ha convertido en una guerra de drones y puso sobre la mesa las debilidades de Europa más allá de su músculo económico.
                        La UE necesita nuevos actores políticos, el pueblo ruso debe hacérselo mirar y los aliados de Rusia como Irán, China e India no han contribuído mucho.
                        Han pasado muchas cosas desde el comienzo de la guerra ...

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                        • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                          When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

                          Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

                          We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

                          I find that profoundly shameful.

                          caravantravellers 🌈C This user is from outside of this forum
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                          caravantravellers 🌈
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                          @randahl

                          30 sanction packages should have been one, a comprehensive one. And Russian shadow fleet ships can still pass by Denmark into the North Sea.

                          What a shame!

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                          • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                            When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

                            Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

                            We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

                            I find that profoundly shameful.

                            sͧb̴ͫƸ̴gͬᵉS This user is from outside of this forum
                            sͧb̴ͫƸ̴gͬᵉS This user is from outside of this forum
                            sͧb̴ͫƸ̴gͬᵉ
                            wrote last edited by
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                            @randahl If I look at this in the only area I have any expertise, it’s clear that Europe’s war machine doesn’t run without US tech.

                            And currently, the US is significantly puppeteered by rus interests in this thing, it seems to me?

                            Not a good technical base to stand on, confronting the rus.

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                            • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                              When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

                              Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

                              We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

                              I find that profoundly shameful.

                              RavongesR This user is from outside of this forum
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                              Ravonges
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                              #18

                              @randahl Alright. Let's just attack Russia and hope we don't see 5.000 nukes falling from the sky. That sounds like an amazing idea.

                              Actually, why don't we just end ourselves and spare the Russians the trouble.

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                              • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                                When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

                                Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

                                We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

                                I find that profoundly shameful.

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                                M This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @randahl The World is currently playing Putin's War. On his terms.

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                                • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                                  When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

                                  Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

                                  We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

                                  I find that profoundly shameful.

                                  Ag. V.A This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Ag. V.A This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Ag. V.
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                                  #20

                                  @randahl you know how we could have already ended this war? Not giving the 2014 coup d'etat, sponsored by the US and the EU. That would have created 0 wars. Now you want the European citizenship to support a war created by some criminals in our name by giving the power in Ukraine to their worst nationalistic fascists? No, I don't think so. Go fight yourself.

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                                  • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                                    When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

                                    Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

                                    We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

                                    I find that profoundly shameful.

                                    Harold SmithM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @randahl how can we? And why, esp. UK and USA, didn't we at the very beginning of the war, when Russia and Ukraine were leading the according talks pretty successfully themselves?

                                    https://netzclash.wordpress.com/2025/10/07/brauchen-wir-eine-wehrpflicht/

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                                    • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                                      When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

                                      Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU citizens and 69 UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

                                      We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

                                      I find that profoundly shameful.

                                      Berna van VilsterenB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      Berna van Vilsteren
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                                      @randahl Couldn't agree more! Let the people of Ukraine suffer so we can do business as usual :-((and EU leaders still dare to call that solidarity.)

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                                      • Ag. V.A Ag. V.

                                        @randahl you know how we could have already ended this war? Not giving the 2014 coup d'etat, sponsored by the US and the EU. That would have created 0 wars. Now you want the European citizenship to support a war created by some criminals in our name by giving the power in Ukraine to their worst nationalistic fascists? No, I don't think so. Go fight yourself.

                                        Ben Royce 🇺🇦B This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        Ben Royce 🇺🇦
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                                        @aguVV @randahl

                                        so the ukrainian people rose up in 2014 of their own accord

                                        it was not mind control from the CIA that made ukrainians rise up

                                        and now today they fight with their lives to remain free of russia. again, of their own accord

                                        do you imagine they fight now because of CIA mind control?

                                        🤪

                                        do you have any respect for the ukrainian people at all?

                                        no you don't

                                        you're a liar pushing weak kremlin disinfo or you're an idiot with a tiny head full of kremlin disinfo

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                                        • Ben Royce 🇺🇦B Ben Royce 🇺🇦

                                          @aguVV @randahl

                                          so the ukrainian people rose up in 2014 of their own accord

                                          it was not mind control from the CIA that made ukrainians rise up

                                          and now today they fight with their lives to remain free of russia. again, of their own accord

                                          do you imagine they fight now because of CIA mind control?

                                          🤪

                                          do you have any respect for the ukrainian people at all?

                                          no you don't

                                          you're a liar pushing weak kremlin disinfo or you're an idiot with a tiny head full of kremlin disinfo

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                                          @benroyce @randahl ah, 'the Ukrainian people rose up on their own'? Really? Surely foreign intelligence agencies had nothing to do with it, just like in all Arab countries at that time, Egypt, Syria, now Iran.. Yeah, you really live in the Teletubbies world.

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