The SAVE act targets people who've changed their name *for any reason*.
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The SAVE act targets people who've changed their name *for any reason*. Ya know who's done that?
- Married women
- Trans & nonbinary folx
- ImmigrantsYou know which US citizens that leaves?
Mostly white men.
The SAVE act isn't trying to save anything other than patriarchy and fascism.
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@sleepytako @amydiehl @alice My wife and I both kept our names when we married (in academics it's a pita to prove authorship of something after a name change). We get confused looks regularly when people realize we have different last names. Most people are still living in the old world.
It also confuses people that our son has her last name. We did that mostly because her last name is far more interesting/unique than mine. -
The SAVE act targets people who've changed their name *for any reason*. Ya know who's done that?
- Married women
- Trans & nonbinary folx
- ImmigrantsYou know which US citizens that leaves?
Mostly white men.
The SAVE act isn't trying to save anything other than patriarchy and fascism.
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@the_wub @alice @amydiehl People with new identities courtesy of witness protection get birth certificates for their new names.
Very few countries allow asylum-seekers to vote in national elections at all, regardless of how well-documented they are. If one becomes a US citizen, they get a certificate of naturalization, which is explicitly listed as acceptable proof of citizenship in the bill.
This proposed law is awful, but those two specific concerns arenβt affected either way.
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@the_wub @alice @amydiehl People with new identities courtesy of witness protection get birth certificates for their new names.
Very few countries allow asylum-seekers to vote in national elections at all, regardless of how well-documented they are. If one becomes a US citizen, they get a certificate of naturalization, which is explicitly listed as acceptable proof of citizenship in the bill.
This proposed law is awful, but those two specific concerns arenβt affected either way.
@bob_zim @alice @amydiehl Thanks for the clarification.
What I would be concerned with is that such new laws are often drafted in haste in the ideological fervour of the moment
Those that end up drafting such laws will either deliberately or just due to a complete lack of imagination and empathy create a whole host of additional situations where peoples' identity can become a problem for them.
Even for those who are already citizens of the US*.
* insert country of your choice.
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@the_wub @alice @amydiehl People with new identities courtesy of witness protection get birth certificates for their new names.
Very few countries allow asylum-seekers to vote in national elections at all, regardless of how well-documented they are. If one becomes a US citizen, they get a certificate of naturalization, which is explicitly listed as acceptable proof of citizenship in the bill.
This proposed law is awful, but those two specific concerns arenβt affected either way.
@bob_zim @alice @amydiehl As regards asylum seekers, my thought was if they do get granted permission to stay, then how will the new laws affect them.
Not just when they are newly arrived but also should the seek US citizenship at a later date.
If you arrive without any papers then how can you prove an identity that matches your birth certificate and hence claim your right to vote as a US citizen.
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@the_wub @alice @amydiehl People with new identities courtesy of witness protection get birth certificates for their new names.
Very few countries allow asylum-seekers to vote in national elections at all, regardless of how well-documented they are. If one becomes a US citizen, they get a certificate of naturalization, which is explicitly listed as acceptable proof of citizenship in the bill.
This proposed law is awful, but those two specific concerns arenβt affected either way.
@bob_zim @alice @amydiehl I have had a collection of experiences, related to the different way that the UK and most other European countries treat identity.
Some countries base your permission to stay on your birth certificate and others on the passport you present.
In my case the names on the two are not the same.
The UK demands that if you have two passports then the names on both must be identical.
But UK passports do not support accented characters found in other European alphabets.
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The SAVE act targets people who've changed their name *for any reason*. Ya know who's done that?
- Married women
- Trans & nonbinary folx
- ImmigrantsYou know which US citizens that leaves?
Mostly white men.
The SAVE act isn't trying to save anything other than patriarchy and fascism.
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The SAVE act targets people who've changed their name *for any reason*. Ya know who's done that?
- Married women
- Trans & nonbinary folx
- ImmigrantsYou know which US citizens that leaves?
Mostly white men.
The SAVE act isn't trying to save anything other than patriarchy and fascism.
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@bob_zim @alice @amydiehl As regards asylum seekers, my thought was if they do get granted permission to stay, then how will the new laws affect them.
Not just when they are newly arrived but also should the seek US citizenship at a later date.
If you arrive without any papers then how can you prove an identity that matches your birth certificate and hence claim your right to vote as a US citizen.
@the_wub @alice @amydiehl > If you arrive without any papers then how can you prove an identity that matches your birth certificate and hence claim your right to vote as a US citizen.
Thatβs already a problem today, regardless of this proposed law. It sucks because, yes, the people most in need of asylum protections are often the least able to produce documentation. The barrier is the naturalization process, though, and this proposed law doesnβt affect that.
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@bob_zim @alice @amydiehl I have had a collection of experiences, related to the different way that the UK and most other European countries treat identity.
Some countries base your permission to stay on your birth certificate and others on the passport you present.
In my case the names on the two are not the same.
The UK demands that if you have two passports then the names on both must be identical.
But UK passports do not support accented characters found in other European alphabets.
@the_wub @alice @amydiehl Yeah, the EU+UK situation is separately awful, since thereβs no super-state authority you can directly be a citizen of (i.e, you canβt be a citizen of the EU directly, only of a state within it). Instead, thereβs a mess of individual states all with their own individual idiosyncrasies. Most allow non-resident citizens to vote. Some allow non-citizen residents to vote. Ridiculous, inconsistent documentation standards like the passport situation you mentioned. All based on imaginary lines on the ground.
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@the_wub @alice @amydiehl Yeah, the EU+UK situation is separately awful, since thereβs no super-state authority you can directly be a citizen of (i.e, you canβt be a citizen of the EU directly, only of a state within it). Instead, thereβs a mess of individual states all with their own individual idiosyncrasies. Most allow non-resident citizens to vote. Some allow non-citizen residents to vote. Ridiculous, inconsistent documentation standards like the passport situation you mentioned. All based on imaginary lines on the ground.
@bob_zim @alice @amydiehl Before Brexit happened if there had been an "EU passport" I would have applied for it immediately.
Identity is a pain in the neck. In the UK you can choose the name that appears on your passport.
In the Netherlands and Norway people are all registered in the People Registers. So you get the name that you are officially registered with when you apply for a passport.
The UK has a perculiar way of dealing with legal identity and has no central register for all people.
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@bob_zim @alice @amydiehl Before Brexit happened if there had been an "EU passport" I would have applied for it immediately.
Identity is a pain in the neck. In the UK you can choose the name that appears on your passport.
In the Netherlands and Norway people are all registered in the People Registers. So you get the name that you are officially registered with when you apply for a passport.
The UK has a perculiar way of dealing with legal identity and has no central register for all people.
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@the_wub @alice @amydiehl Births are registered at the local level (county/parrish, below US state), but they confer citizenship at the federal level. The US federal government is the entity which issues passports and social security numbers (basically our national ID number for financial purposes). Driver licenses and most other non-passport IDs are managed by the US states. Depending on who is asking for identity and why, we may need a birth/naturalization certificate, passport, social security number, driver license/state ID number, or a paper utility bill (sometimes needed to prove residency for state and local elections).
US states run their own elections, so rules for voting are all over the place (which is why the USA doesnβt meet the minimum standards for election monitoring by the Carter Center).
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The SAVE act targets people who've changed their name *for any reason*. Ya know who's done that?
- Married women
- Trans & nonbinary folx
- ImmigrantsYou know which US citizens that leaves?
Mostly white men.
The SAVE act isn't trying to save anything other than patriarchy and fascism.
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@yPhil there's already a law against being a criminal, that's what made them a criminal. There are also already laws against election tampering and fraud.
Two states let felons vote while in prison.
If they've "paid their dues", then most places (eventually) let them vote again anyway.
Blocking upwards of a third of the population from voting because it might stop a handful of "criminals" is fucking ridiculous. If we wanted to do *that* and have fewer false-positives, we could just block straight men from votingβthey make up ~93% of inmatesΒΉβand that's with the fact that queer folx have arrest rates ~2.3Γ higher than straight peopleΒ² (because the system is fucking busted).
Also, your argument is bullshit.
ΒΉ https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/beyondthecount.html
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@alice @amydiehl @spacehobo the idea that getting married would edit your birth certificate is so fucking weird
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@sleepytako @amydiehl @alice My wife and I both kept our names when we married (in academics it's a pita to prove authorship of something after a name change). We get confused looks regularly when people realize we have different last names. Most people are still living in the old world.
It also confuses people that our son has her last name. We did that mostly because her last name is far more interesting/unique than mine.@Jumpmed when I disowned my dad, I changed my last name to my mom's (she had kept hers, and her name was way cooler anyway).
