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  • GrailG Grail

    Treating humanity as better than “the beast within” is human supremacism, which is fascism. The Camarilla rely on Humanity to protect them from oblivion because they’re a fascist organisation. The Sabbat use the Paths to make peace with the beast within while maintaining their individuality and free will.

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    squaresinger@lemmy.world
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    Tbh, equating anyone who doesn’t value animals at the same level as humans with fascists is pretty misguided and not helpful at all.

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    • F flyby@lemmy.zip

      I dunno dude, I find “trying to stay human and fight off actively hostile part inside me that was forced upon me” pretty anti-fascist…

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      Grail
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      Well I’ve actually lived what you’re describing, I found a part of Myself that was incompatible with humanity. And it was My true identity knocking on the door of My soul asking to be let in. It was My gender and My species. I am not a human. If I had held onto humanity I would have been denying part of Myself. So many budding otherkin and trans people are forced back into the closet by fascists, who look at us and see what you see in VTM. An invasive “woke mind virus” that causes “rapid onset gender dysphoria”.

      To the man who raised Me, his child is dead and I have killed him. And I say: good. I am a creature of the night, an unholy revenant, the vengeance of the wild. I bring the end of civilisation as these fascists know it. The end of their rotten moral values and their cancerous capitalism. I am a dark goddess of madness and rebirth come to free My people from the human shells the fascists have forced them into. Death to the oppressor. Death to the false self. Death to the old world order.

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      • S squaresinger@lemmy.world

        Tbh, equating anyone who doesn’t value animals at the same level as humans with fascists is pretty misguided and not helpful at all.

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        Grail
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        I am no human. Tell Me whether you value My life and a human’s equally.

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        • G greenbeard@lemmy.ca

          Fascism is what you get when Aristocracy gets a business degree. The difference between a feudal lord and a CEO is non-farm income.

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          #25

          I can’t imagine the apathy these people have for human* rights, despite seeing the actions this apathy leads to every day

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            I can’t imagine the apathy these people have for human* rights, despite seeing the actions this apathy leads to every day

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            stray@pawb.social
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            What does it mean that you’ve put an asterisk next to human? Is it just because of the context of vampires or is there like a broader meaning I’m not familiar with?

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            • A arbitraryvalue@sh.itjust.works

              Ah yes, vampires, those symbols of liberalism.

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              gandalftheblack@feddit.org
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              I mean, they’re fictional, they can be whatever you want them to be

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                gladaed@feddit.org
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                Yes, but I believe you should have either phrased this nice enough to actually affect people or much more aggressive and definitive instead of this rather diplomatic statement.

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                • thatsnomayo@lemmy.mlT thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml

                  Nah these games suck and their depiction of indigenous people is completely insane minstrelsy that I feel too ashamed to even describe.

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                  gladaed@feddit.org
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                  They depict indigenous people rather fairly, depending on your dm.

                  Then again indigenous means different things around the globe.

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                  • D 🦄🦄🦄

                    Maybe I am being whooooshed but just in case: Eat The Reich is a separate RPG where the goal is basically killing as many Nazis as possible as bad ass vampires.

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                    Tar_Alcaran
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                    Ah, I did not know that.

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                      freddieslantern@leminal.space
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                      #31

                      Good on them for stating it upfront though. (The mention of “alt-right” indicates a more recent version?).

                      Back in the 90’s/early 00’s it definitely attracted people both left and right winged.

                      However from my personal experience right wingers was more prevalent in wargaming compared to rpg’s. (Which really sucked because there you were enjoying a nice back n forth about Warhammer and then out comes the racist nazi talk…)

                      Games Workshop did good by making a pretty strong statement a while ago. But I’m afraid it’ll always be a thing.

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                      • S squaresinger@lemmy.world

                        Tbh, equating anyone who doesn’t value animals at the same level as humans with fascists is pretty misguided and not helpful at all.

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                        Grail
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                        I apologise for the aggressive tone of My first reply to you, and will now attempt a more measured response:

                        We’re talking about fantasy creatures and their equality with humans. I’m a fantasy creature. Denigrating other inhumans is a very slippery slope to denigrating inhuman creatures like Me. I and other members of the otherkin community would prefer to know that you’re an ally.

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                        • GrailG Grail

                          I apologise for the aggressive tone of My first reply to you, and will now attempt a more measured response:

                          We’re talking about fantasy creatures and their equality with humans. I’m a fantasy creature. Denigrating other inhumans is a very slippery slope to denigrating inhuman creatures like Me. I and other members of the otherkin community would prefer to know that you’re an ally.

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                          squaresinger@lemmy.world
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                          Depends on whether we are roleplaying right now or talking about real-life here.

                          If this is role-play, then of course it’s a fun way to explore the effects and implications of racism in a safe and hypothetical way.

                          If this is real life, then it’s honestly beside the point because transspeciesism isn’t a thing and thus not even a hardcore racist will think you aren’t human just because you fancy thinking of yourself as a unicorn.

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                          • GrailG Grail

                            I am no human. Tell Me whether you value My life and a human’s equally.

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                            squaresinger@lemmy.world
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                            If we are taking this seriously, there are exactly two kinds of beings that are currently capable of holding a conversation online: a human or a bot.

                            So if you aren’t human, I certainly don’t value your clanker “life” the same way as a human one.

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                            • S squaresinger@lemmy.world

                              Depends on whether we are roleplaying right now or talking about real-life here.

                              If this is role-play, then of course it’s a fun way to explore the effects and implications of racism in a safe and hypothetical way.

                              If this is real life, then it’s honestly beside the point because transspeciesism isn’t a thing and thus not even a hardcore racist will think you aren’t human just because you fancy thinking of yourself as a unicorn.

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                              Grail
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                              I’m talking about neither reality nor roleplay. I’m talking about genuinely held identity. As you can see by My home instance, I’m an antirealist. I think reality is a dangerous social construct. For example, your belief in reality is currently motivating you to deny My identity.

                              That kind of behaviour isn’t tolerated on My instance. If you’re open to changing your mind then we can talk, but if there’s nothing I could say to convince you that I’m telling the truth and you plan to keep invalidating otherkin, then please let Me know now so I can protect this instance’s users from having to see this kind of speech in future.

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                                If we are taking this seriously, there are exactly two kinds of beings that are currently capable of holding a conversation online: a human or a bot.

                                So if you aren’t human, I certainly don’t value your clanker “life” the same way as a human one.

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                                Grail
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                                I’m a shapeshifter goddess. LLMs aren’t allowed to post on MULTIVERSE because they can’t express meaningful consent to work for sapients. But we do have robotic users who don’t appreciate hearing xenophobic slurs, so please keep the language appropriate.

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                                • GrailG Grail

                                  I’m talking about neither reality nor roleplay. I’m talking about genuinely held identity. As you can see by My home instance, I’m an antirealist. I think reality is a dangerous social construct. For example, your belief in reality is currently motivating you to deny My identity.

                                  That kind of behaviour isn’t tolerated on My instance. If you’re open to changing your mind then we can talk, but if there’s nothing I could say to convince you that I’m telling the truth and you plan to keep invalidating otherkin, then please let Me know now so I can protect this instance’s users from having to see this kind of speech in future.

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                                  squaresinger@lemmy.world
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                                  You aren’t on your instance. Your rules don’t matter in this community, and if you want to ban from your instance for not following the rules of your instance and your communities while being on some completely different community on a completely different instance, go for it.

                                  My belief in your human rights is not based on the identity you made up for yourself, but on the fact that you are a human and I will not deny human rights to any human, no matter whatever species they fancy themselves to be.

                                  The same rules apply as with religious freedom: You have the freedom to think of yourself in whatever terms you want to, and I will advocate for that right.

                                  But you do not have the right to dictate my understanding of reality.

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                                  • S squaresinger@lemmy.world

                                    You aren’t on your instance. Your rules don’t matter in this community, and if you want to ban from your instance for not following the rules of your instance and your communities while being on some completely different community on a completely different instance, go for it.

                                    My belief in your human rights is not based on the identity you made up for yourself, but on the fact that you are a human and I will not deny human rights to any human, no matter whatever species they fancy themselves to be.

                                    The same rules apply as with religious freedom: You have the freedom to think of yourself in whatever terms you want to, and I will advocate for that right.

                                    But you do not have the right to dictate my understanding of reality.

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                                    Grail
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                                    I would not tell any human they are not allowed to identify themself with their species identity. I would not tell them that if their species identity differs from Mine, that they don’t have as much right to life. You would. And that’s why I would call you a fascist. A fascist human supremacist who has every right to your species identity, but absolutely no right to your abhorrent political beliefs. I hope that one day our society advances to a level where we consider such hate speech as yours punishable by a lot of community service. Until then, I shall have to content Myself with an instance ban. Bye, fascist.

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                                    • GrailG Grail

                                      I’m a shapeshifter goddess. LLMs aren’t allowed to post on MULTIVERSE because they can’t express meaningful consent to work for sapients. But we do have robotic users who don’t appreciate hearing xenophobic slurs, so please keep the language appropriate.

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                                      squaresinger@lemmy.world
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                                      So you are banning actual bots while claiming that humans cosplaying as robots are actual robots, and are offended by me using the term “clanker”.

                                      If you’d take this seriously, that would be seen as massive cultural appropriation.

                                      That’s about equivalent to white people wearing blackface in segregated white-people-only areas getting fake-offended by people calling them anti-black slurs.

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                                      • S stray@pawb.social

                                        What does it mean that you’ve put an asterisk next to human? Is it just because of the context of vampires or is there like a broader meaning I’m not familiar with?

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                                        Oh no, I had a feeling that wasn’t the best terminology. I’ve offended the bees, haven’t I?

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                                        • GrailG Grail

                                          I would not tell any human they are not allowed to identify themself with their species identity. I would not tell them that if their species identity differs from Mine, that they don’t have as much right to life. You would. And that’s why I would call you a fascist. A fascist human supremacist who has every right to your species identity, but absolutely no right to your abhorrent political beliefs. I hope that one day our society advances to a level where we consider such hate speech as yours punishable by a lot of community service. Until then, I shall have to content Myself with an instance ban. Bye, fascist.

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                                          squaresinger@lemmy.world
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                                          I am telling you, you can call yourself whatever you want. Your identity doesn’t matter to me, because you cannot trade away your human rights just by calling yourself some other species.

                                          If you want to call me a fascist for saying that your human rights are inalienable and cannot be removed from you just because you call yourself a non-human, that is… incredibly misguided and makes me wonder if you even know what a fascist is.

                                          To be honest, I’m inclined to think you are astroturfing, trying to make anyone standing up for human rights and against fascism look ridiculous.

                                          Seriously, you are either totally detached from reality, or a right-wing bot account.

                                          And yes, go for it, ban me from your instance with a total of 4 communities, 34 posts and 60 comments. My family group chat has more activity than that.

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