Based Vampire the Masquerade
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Good on them for stating it upfront though. (The mention of “alt-right” indicates a more recent version?).
Back in the 90’s/early 00’s it definitely attracted people both left and right winged.
However from my personal experience right wingers was more prevalent in wargaming compared to rpg’s. (Which really sucked because there you were enjoying a nice back n forth about Warhammer and then out comes the racist nazi talk…)
Games Workshop did good by making a pretty strong statement a while ago. But I’m afraid it’ll always be a thing.
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Tbh, equating anyone who doesn’t value animals at the same level as humans with fascists is pretty misguided and not helpful at all.
I apologise for the aggressive tone of My first reply to you, and will now attempt a more measured response:
We’re talking about fantasy creatures and their equality with humans. I’m a fantasy creature. Denigrating other inhumans is a very slippery slope to denigrating inhuman creatures like Me. I and other members of the otherkin community would prefer to know that you’re an ally.
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I apologise for the aggressive tone of My first reply to you, and will now attempt a more measured response:
We’re talking about fantasy creatures and their equality with humans. I’m a fantasy creature. Denigrating other inhumans is a very slippery slope to denigrating inhuman creatures like Me. I and other members of the otherkin community would prefer to know that you’re an ally.
Depends on whether we are roleplaying right now or talking about real-life here.
If this is role-play, then of course it’s a fun way to explore the effects and implications of racism in a safe and hypothetical way.
If this is real life, then it’s honestly beside the point because transspeciesism isn’t a thing and thus not even a hardcore racist will think you aren’t human just because you fancy thinking of yourself as a unicorn.
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If we are taking this seriously, there are exactly two kinds of beings that are currently capable of holding a conversation online: a human or a bot.
So if you aren’t human, I certainly don’t value your clanker “life” the same way as a human one.
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Depends on whether we are roleplaying right now or talking about real-life here.
If this is role-play, then of course it’s a fun way to explore the effects and implications of racism in a safe and hypothetical way.
If this is real life, then it’s honestly beside the point because transspeciesism isn’t a thing and thus not even a hardcore racist will think you aren’t human just because you fancy thinking of yourself as a unicorn.
I’m talking about neither reality nor roleplay. I’m talking about genuinely held identity. As you can see by My home instance, I’m an antirealist. I think reality is a dangerous social construct. For example, your belief in reality is currently motivating you to deny My identity.
That kind of behaviour isn’t tolerated on My instance. If you’re open to changing your mind then we can talk, but if there’s nothing I could say to convince you that I’m telling the truth and you plan to keep invalidating otherkin, then please let Me know now so I can protect this instance’s users from having to see this kind of speech in future.
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If we are taking this seriously, there are exactly two kinds of beings that are currently capable of holding a conversation online: a human or a bot.
So if you aren’t human, I certainly don’t value your clanker “life” the same way as a human one.
I’m a shapeshifter goddess. LLMs aren’t allowed to post on MULTIVERSE because they can’t express meaningful consent to work for sapients. But we do have robotic users who don’t appreciate hearing xenophobic slurs, so please keep the language appropriate.
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I’m talking about neither reality nor roleplay. I’m talking about genuinely held identity. As you can see by My home instance, I’m an antirealist. I think reality is a dangerous social construct. For example, your belief in reality is currently motivating you to deny My identity.
That kind of behaviour isn’t tolerated on My instance. If you’re open to changing your mind then we can talk, but if there’s nothing I could say to convince you that I’m telling the truth and you plan to keep invalidating otherkin, then please let Me know now so I can protect this instance’s users from having to see this kind of speech in future.
You aren’t on your instance. Your rules don’t matter in this community, and if you want to ban from your instance for not following the rules of your instance and your communities while being on some completely different community on a completely different instance, go for it.
My belief in your human rights is not based on the identity you made up for yourself, but on the fact that you are a human and I will not deny human rights to any human, no matter whatever species they fancy themselves to be.
The same rules apply as with religious freedom: You have the freedom to think of yourself in whatever terms you want to, and I will advocate for that right.
But you do not have the right to dictate my understanding of reality.
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You aren’t on your instance. Your rules don’t matter in this community, and if you want to ban from your instance for not following the rules of your instance and your communities while being on some completely different community on a completely different instance, go for it.
My belief in your human rights is not based on the identity you made up for yourself, but on the fact that you are a human and I will not deny human rights to any human, no matter whatever species they fancy themselves to be.
The same rules apply as with religious freedom: You have the freedom to think of yourself in whatever terms you want to, and I will advocate for that right.
But you do not have the right to dictate my understanding of reality.
I would not tell any human they are not allowed to identify themself with their species identity. I would not tell them that if their species identity differs from Mine, that they don’t have as much right to life. You would. And that’s why I would call you a fascist. A fascist human supremacist who has every right to your species identity, but absolutely no right to your abhorrent political beliefs. I hope that one day our society advances to a level where we consider such hate speech as yours punishable by a lot of community service. Until then, I shall have to content Myself with an instance ban. Bye, fascist.
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I’m a shapeshifter goddess. LLMs aren’t allowed to post on MULTIVERSE because they can’t express meaningful consent to work for sapients. But we do have robotic users who don’t appreciate hearing xenophobic slurs, so please keep the language appropriate.
So you are banning actual bots while claiming that humans cosplaying as robots are actual robots, and are offended by me using the term “clanker”.
If you’d take this seriously, that would be seen as massive cultural appropriation.
That’s about equivalent to white people wearing blackface in segregated white-people-only areas getting fake-offended by people calling them anti-black slurs.
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What does it mean that you’ve put an asterisk next to human? Is it just because of the context of vampires or is there like a broader meaning I’m not familiar with?
Oh no, I had a feeling that wasn’t the best terminology. I’ve offended the bees, haven’t I?
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I would not tell any human they are not allowed to identify themself with their species identity. I would not tell them that if their species identity differs from Mine, that they don’t have as much right to life. You would. And that’s why I would call you a fascist. A fascist human supremacist who has every right to your species identity, but absolutely no right to your abhorrent political beliefs. I hope that one day our society advances to a level where we consider such hate speech as yours punishable by a lot of community service. Until then, I shall have to content Myself with an instance ban. Bye, fascist.
I am telling you, you can call yourself whatever you want. Your identity doesn’t matter to me, because you cannot trade away your human rights just by calling yourself some other species.
If you want to call me a fascist for saying that your human rights are inalienable and cannot be removed from you just because you call yourself a non-human, that is… incredibly misguided and makes me wonder if you even know what a fascist is.
To be honest, I’m inclined to think you are astroturfing, trying to make anyone standing up for human rights and against fascism look ridiculous.
Seriously, you are either totally detached from reality, or a right-wing bot account.
And yes, go for it, ban me from your instance with a total of 4 communities, 34 posts and 60 comments. My family group chat has more activity than that.
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Aristocracy has shown a tendancy to lead to fascism, as can be seen in what is currently happening in the US
Yes and no. Aristocracy can exist independent from fascism, and should be considered entirely separately. However, if they can’t maintain power with a purely conservative/reactionary coalition, aristocrats will almost always side with fascists over liberals, much less socialists. As such, in the modern day, aristocracies are aligned with fascists, despite fascism erasing aristocracy as it ‘succeeds’ and aristocrats being generally aware that fascists do not have their aristocratic interests in mind.
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Fascism is what you get when Aristocracy gets a business degree. The difference between a feudal lord and a CEO is non-farm income.
Fascism is what you get when Aristocracy gets a business degree. The difference between a feudal lord and a CEO is non-farm income.
Far, far from it. Despite the casual use (including by me!) of aristocracy for any entrenched elite, there is a non-negligible difference between actual aristocrats and plutocrats. Long story short, aristocrats are dependent on social capital and extraordinary legal privileges; plutocrats are dependent on financial capital. The tension between these competing sources of elite power has fueled many pre-modern conflicts. The two can blend, and there’s rarely a ‘pure’ example of either, but they’re aren’t quite equivalent either. A majority-owner of a modern farming conglomerate does not base his power on the same foundation as a feudal lord, and vice-versa.
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Oh no, I had a feeling that wasn’t the best terminology. I’ve offended the bees, haven’t I?
I’m not offended, if that’s what you mean. I’m just curious what it means because I haven’t seen it before and can only guess.
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Fascism is what you get when Aristocracy gets a business degree. The difference between a feudal lord and a CEO is non-farm income.
Far, far from it. Despite the casual use (including by me!) of aristocracy for any entrenched elite, there is a non-negligible difference between actual aristocrats and plutocrats. Long story short, aristocrats are dependent on social capital and extraordinary legal privileges; plutocrats are dependent on financial capital. The tension between these competing sources of elite power has fueled many pre-modern conflicts. The two can blend, and there’s rarely a ‘pure’ example of either, but they’re aren’t quite equivalent either. A majority-owner of a modern farming conglomerate does not base his power on the same foundation as a feudal lord, and vice-versa.
In principle you are correct, in practice the functional difference is very much negligible. As anyone who has ever tried to hold a plutocrat accountable in court can tell you, their equality under the law is more theoretical than how the world really works. The cults of personality, the careful reputational management, the nepotism and cronyism, dynastic rule and insularity, it’s all there, it’s just got a different window dressing.
On paper their power is different. In practice, not so much.
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I apologise for the aggressive tone of My first reply to you, and will now attempt a more measured response:
We’re talking about fantasy creatures and their equality with humans. I’m a fantasy creature. Denigrating other inhumans is a very slippery slope to denigrating inhuman creatures like Me. I and other members of the otherkin community would prefer to know that you’re an ally.
Literally talking like chat GPT.
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Yes, but I believe you should have either phrased this nice enough to actually affect people or much more aggressive and definitive instead of this rather diplomatic statement.
“Fuck off, we’re not dealing with your bullshit” is a perfectly acceptable thing to say to fascists.
Having neither the desire or energy to “fix” everyone is fine – especially dirtbags that are looking for an argument in bad faith.
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I think treating inhumanity as horror is pretty fascist. I’m in love with a very sweet monster who hates Nazis, and I’m a big fan of Guillermo del Toro’s movies where humans tend to be more evil than monsters.
In My experience VTM players trend fascist because the game encourages you to accept the Camarilla’s fascist idolisation of humanity.
Inhumanity meaning the opposite of humane – in fact it used to be spelled inhumane. I.e. “cruel”.
Strangely enough it doesn’t have the “not a human” meaning inhuman does, but English is weird.
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Literally talking like chat GPT.
My first reply to that user was a lot more aggressive, but I decided to tone it down and be more patient. My patience did not bear any fruit, but I’m glad I gave it an effort.
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Inhumanity meaning the opposite of humane – in fact it used to be spelled inhumane. I.e. “cruel”.
Strangely enough it doesn’t have the “not a human” meaning inhuman does, but English is weird.
That’s because we speak a language designed by human supremacists.