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  • V vespair@lemm.ee

    Imo the Internet was a vastly better place when everyone practiced personal responsibility and assumed that everywhere online was inherently wild and potentially unsafe unless specifically deemed otherwise, not the other way around

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    paupersserenade@sh.itjust.works
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    This is a space for RPG memes, and the meme is covering a topic regarding oversexualized female characters discussing being raped by monsters with a dildo on the table. I’m not perturbed by downvotes, but I noticed them for just asking for it to be tagged as NSFW. I’ve had some rough experiences trying to play tabletop games as a woman and would ideally not have to be reminded of poor behaviour in a space that’s supposed to be lighthearted.

    I don’t expect everything to be made for me, that’s why I block a lot of ‘lewd’ content and a blanket NSFW block. I went through Barrens and CoD chat as a young woman so I know what you mean by ‘vastly better place’.

    Try and have some empathy for why someone might not want to see this content.

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    • rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zoneR rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone

      I don’t disagree, but I also do very much appreciate a verbose tagging system (tumblr, e6, etc). Makes it easier to find what you’re looking for, alongside giving people warning. <br> Although I do think it’s best to be cautious regardless.

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      paupersserenade@sh.itjust.works
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      I responded to who you agreed with. I won’t go into it further. Just giving you a ping, and hope that you can see where I was coming from. Didn’t realise asking for a tag was such a big deal, so honestly just gonna block this community.

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      • paupersserenade@sh.itjust.worksP paupersserenade@sh.itjust.works

        I responded to who you agreed with. I won’t go into it further. Just giving you a ping, and hope that you can see where I was coming from. Didn’t realise asking for a tag was such a big deal, so honestly just gonna block this community.

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        rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        I’m sorry. I agreed from the perspective of being disturbed by watching spaces becoming increasingly closed off (Such as clasic Pixar films no longer permitting comments on YouTube), not from an angle of wanting to genuinely return to the kinds of communities that the internet used to be composed of. <br> I do agree with you on tagging, I only wished to express a desire for a larger amount of tags for disambiguity, but clearly I clearly hadn’t considered that in doing so, I was making the space unsafe for you. <br> I originally left the post untagged because I hadn’t thought too much of it, but I have now adjusted in accordance with your commentary. I am sincerely sorry for not working to accomodate your concerns. I’ll exercise more caution in future and hope that this hasn’t too harshly soured your perspective on what is, from what I can see as a visitor, a generally pleasant community.

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        • paupersserenade@sh.itjust.worksP paupersserenade@sh.itjust.works

          I responded to who you agreed with. I won’t go into it further. Just giving you a ping, and hope that you can see where I was coming from. Didn’t realise asking for a tag was such a big deal, so honestly just gonna block this community.

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          ideonek@lemm.ee
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          Hi. I think you combined comments of two separate people as coming from one person. My understanding is that OP agrees that your reasonable perspective is valid and reasonable and will do it’s best to be considerate about things like that it in the future.

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          • paupersserenade@sh.itjust.worksP paupersserenade@sh.itjust.works

            This is a space for RPG memes, and the meme is covering a topic regarding oversexualized female characters discussing being raped by monsters with a dildo on the table. I’m not perturbed by downvotes, but I noticed them for just asking for it to be tagged as NSFW. I’ve had some rough experiences trying to play tabletop games as a woman and would ideally not have to be reminded of poor behaviour in a space that’s supposed to be lighthearted.

            I don’t expect everything to be made for me, that’s why I block a lot of ‘lewd’ content and a blanket NSFW block. I went through Barrens and CoD chat as a young woman so I know what you mean by ‘vastly better place’.

            Try and have some empathy for why someone might not want to see this content.

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            vespair@lemm.ee
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            #43

            Having empathy does not mean we have to work under the assumption that everything should cater to the most delicate of sensibilities (even if the reason for said delicate sensibility are well-justified). I am empathetic and I am sorry for the additional challenges navigating experiences like this can cause you.

            I still stand by my point.

            And to your point, yes tagging is a wonderful system and it does help those like yourself in your navigation. I support tagging and like OP mentioned, love systems that allow for robust tagging.

            But let’s be clear, that kind of tag is a very kind and wonderful courtesy, the absence of which is not malicious, it is neutral.

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            • rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zoneR rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone

              I don’t disagree, but I also do very much appreciate a verbose tagging system (tumblr, e6, etc). Makes it easier to find what you’re looking for, alongside giving people warning. <br> Although I do think it’s best to be cautious regardless.

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              vespair@lemm.ee
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              #44

              I think tagging is a wonderful system and a great kindness posts can perform for the sake of others, but that kind is a choice and lack thereof is not inherently problematic. The absence of kindness is not meanness, it’s neutrality.

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              • P papalonian@lemmy.world

                the issue … isn’t just that it’s … horrifically racist and misogynistic, it’s also a terrible game

                It’s funny, but it seems like I read this phrase a lot, and not just about games (book series, movies, shows, etc). I can’t think of any other good examples off the top of my head, but it seems that every time an artist takes a really cool or interesting concept and fills it with bigotry, they also fill it with poorly written mechanics, potholes, clunky dialogue…

                Sure, there’s media with language that doesn’t age well, but it seems like 9/10, when something is made with blatant hate, there isn’t even an incentive to try to push past or ignore it; the content is garbage with or without the drivel. The initial concept is just good enough to get people to want to give it a shot.

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                supernovastar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                I think that what’s happening here is that

                1. The vast majority of any <thing> is poorly made, but because there are better alternatives, the poorly made ones rarely see the light of day

                And

                1. The more specialized or niche something is, the more likely it is to stand out despite being poorly made

                This includes racist garbage and weird fetishes, yes, but also any other game whose main selling point is its uniqueness instead of its quality.

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                • G godort@lemm.ee

                  Would be hell to play, though, there’s definitely better horny RPGs to try

                  My issue with horny RPGs is that if you can find people to play with that are into whatever kink the book is catering to, why would you bother to play at all? Just have sex.

                  And on the flipside, if you dont want to have sex with the people you’re playing with, why play the sexy game? Just play a regular RPG

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                  supernovastar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  It’s not always about horniness, per se. For example, I’m trans, and giving birth is something I’ll always want but probably will never get to experience. So maybe I want to experience a “power fantasy” of sorts where my trans character performs dark rituals to give birth to eldritch abominations, all so she can experience motherhood.

                  I’m sure there are other experiences that people would want to rp but not necessarily to experience irl. It certainly overlaps with kink, but it’s not like you’re masturbating at the table. You’re telling a story with adult themes, not (necessarily) writing erotica.

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                  • C chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz

                    Penisis and Neuteronomy.

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                    rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                    How many gonads did king Soloman request in Neuteronomy? I’m struggling to remember, and want to ace my next Sex Bible Study.

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                    • V vespair@lemm.ee

                      I think tagging is a wonderful system and a great kindness posts can perform for the sake of others, but that kind is a choice and lack thereof is not inherently problematic. The absence of kindness is not meanness, it’s neutrality.

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                      rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                      I just want to be considerate, and it gets hard when the tags are black and white, instead of allowing for depth.

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                      • rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zoneR rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                        I just want to be considerate, and it gets hard when the tags are black and white, instead of allowing for depth.

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                        vespair@lemm.ee
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                        This I agree with, and I think your call for a “suggestive” tag is a great way to fill in a lot that missing depth.

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                        • V vespair@lemm.ee

                          This I agree with, and I think your call for a “suggestive” tag is a great way to fill in a lot that missing depth.

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                          I believe reddit had a system that allowed for communities to have their own tags, which i feel is a good way of crowdsourcing a system like that in it’s abscence officially, while allowing for each community to have a level of depth appropriate to it’s specific topic. Maybe I should ask around for something like that to be added to here? I know repost tags worked in a similar way on tumblr.

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                          • S supernovastar@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                            It’s not always about horniness, per se. For example, I’m trans, and giving birth is something I’ll always want but probably will never get to experience. So maybe I want to experience a “power fantasy” of sorts where my trans character performs dark rituals to give birth to eldritch abominations, all so she can experience motherhood.

                            I’m sure there are other experiences that people would want to rp but not necessarily to experience irl. It certainly overlaps with kink, but it’s not like you’re masturbating at the table. You’re telling a story with adult themes, not (necessarily) writing erotica.

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                            zombifrancis@sh.itjust.works
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                            Does that need a specifically developed diceroll mechanic though? Seems like there’s a huge roleplaying narrative landscape that doesn’t need to use specific gamerules for thinga like eldrich pregnancies. Or it’d be pretty easy to ad-hoc without making it a central theme of the underlying mechanics.

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                              The worst part of this is the “This is part of the story”

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                                The worst part of this is the “This is part of the story”

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                                an rpg horror story staple

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                                • Z zombifrancis@sh.itjust.works

                                  Does that need a specifically developed diceroll mechanic though? Seems like there’s a huge roleplaying narrative landscape that doesn’t need to use specific gamerules for thinga like eldrich pregnancies. Or it’d be pretty easy to ad-hoc without making it a central theme of the underlying mechanics.

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                                  supernovastar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                  Does anything need mechanics? You could just rp everything, after all.

                                  I’m not saying you need something like FATAL, btw, the system I’m referring to is The Sword, the Crown and the Unspeakable Power. It’s a pretty normal PTBA system, plus a handful of moves that let you gain an advantage when you sleep with someone (as you might expect for courtly intrigue in an 18+ setting). There’s also one class that lets you give birth to eldritch abominations, but that’s less of a ‘roll for pregnancy’ thing and more of a dark ritual. It doesn’t have to be done out of a deep yearning for motherhood - that was just the direction I took it because it resonated with me.

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                                  • S supernovastar@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                    Does anything need mechanics? You could just rp everything, after all.

                                    I’m not saying you need something like FATAL, btw, the system I’m referring to is The Sword, the Crown and the Unspeakable Power. It’s a pretty normal PTBA system, plus a handful of moves that let you gain an advantage when you sleep with someone (as you might expect for courtly intrigue in an 18+ setting). There’s also one class that lets you give birth to eldritch abominations, but that’s less of a ‘roll for pregnancy’ thing and more of a dark ritual. It doesn’t have to be done out of a deep yearning for motherhood - that was just the direction I took it because it resonated with me.

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                                    zombifrancis@sh.itjust.works
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                                    The mechanics are the medium through which players relinquish control of their roleplay. They’re sort of what mediates roleplaying, I think, by providing a sort of arbitrary and neutral interface to both limit and move along characters.

                                    I can roleplay all day and use real world knowledge to back up how my character can pick a lock, but if there’s a mechanic that made me roll dice and I lost, I have to roleplay why that character just couldn’t get the lock picked despite it all.

                                    My main point though was more an allusion to game mechanics not needing to be overly specific or defined by manuals. But then again I like cooking up rulesets and customizing campaigns. Or rather I did in the Ye Olde times when I socialized.

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                                    • Z zombifrancis@sh.itjust.works

                                      The mechanics are the medium through which players relinquish control of their roleplay. They’re sort of what mediates roleplaying, I think, by providing a sort of arbitrary and neutral interface to both limit and move along characters.

                                      I can roleplay all day and use real world knowledge to back up how my character can pick a lock, but if there’s a mechanic that made me roll dice and I lost, I have to roleplay why that character just couldn’t get the lock picked despite it all.

                                      My main point though was more an allusion to game mechanics not needing to be overly specific or defined by manuals. But then again I like cooking up rulesets and customizing campaigns. Or rather I did in the Ye Olde times when I socialized.

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                                      supernovastar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                      The mechanics are the medium through which players relinquish control of their roleplay. They’re sort of what mediates roleplaying, I think, by providing a sort of arbitrary and neutral interface to both limit and move along characters.

                                      Precisely. Which is why it feels different from improv. Rules and predictable-but-random outcomes add verisimilitude to a game.

                                      And the closer something is to the game’s core experience, the more likely it is that a rule (instead of a ruling by the gm) is needed. So if you’re playing a game that revolves around intrigue and seduction, you will probably want some rules for that. They don’t have to be overly complicated, but they will need to exist.

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                                        silverstranger@ttrpg.network
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                                        Is this comic part of a series?

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                                        • S silverstranger@ttrpg.network

                                          Is this comic part of a series?

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                                          Not as far as I know, I found this in a comment. Also I found the artist and it seems to be standalone.

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