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Did you really think it would be that easy

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  • B bob_lemon@feddit.org

    Assuming D&D 5e rules, this is easily countered by casting Gentle Repose on the corpse every 10 days, or any other method of preventing natural decay.

    True Resurrection can only create a new body if the original no longer exists.

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    dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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    Or stuff it in a bag of holding!

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      For example, what if the person casting the spell had a hair sample, or a severed finger or some other item from the monarch’s body,

      RAW and RAI that wouldn’t work, otherwise you could cast Inflict Wounds on someone by merely having a strand of hair from them. The RAW answer would be to have someone cast Contingency + Gentle Repose, though at that point you may as well add in a teleport or something instead

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      dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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      There definitely should be some spells that work like that tbh, it’s a classical trope of curse magic.

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      • koboldcoterie@pawb.socialK koboldcoterie@pawb.social

        I guess this comes down to DM fiat as for what constitutes β€œtouching” the creature. For example, what if the person casting the spell had a hair sample, or a severed finger or some other item from the monarch’s body, which they were also taking any of those steps to prevent decay of?

        The 3rd Edition version of the spell is even more ambiguous. RAW, it doesn’t prevent you from β€œunambiguously identifying” the creature through a means other than touching the body even if the body still exists.

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        its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        Once those items are removed from the body they become a separate object. Maybe useful in divination, but not touching the body. If this were true the party could just cut off some hair hand it to the cleric and all their touch spells would be infinite range.

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        • D dragontypewyvern@midwest.social

          There definitely should be some spells that work like that tbh, it’s a classical trope of curse magic.

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          That wouldn’t be a feature of the spell but of the caster

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            The king is a puppet of a dictatorial deity. The solution is to overthrow god.

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            astutemural@midwest.social
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            Reach heaven through violence

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              astutemural@midwest.social
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              This really gets into the foundational expectations of the setting.

              In a reality structured to allow for Heroes, a leader must be one, or else be replaced by the next one to stroll through.

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              • I its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                Once those items are removed from the body they become a separate object. Maybe useful in divination, but not touching the body. If this were true the party could just cut off some hair hand it to the cleric and all their touch spells would be infinite range.

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                koboldcoterie@pawb.social
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                Okay, so, thought experiment. Someone gets cut into a lot of pieces. What do you have to touch to resurrect them? The largest piece? Any piece? No piece, the body is destroyed? What constitutes β€˜destroyed’? If getting cut into pieces counts, then how much of the body has to be missing?

                RAW doesn’t really adequately address this situation.

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                • koboldcoterie@pawb.socialK koboldcoterie@pawb.social

                  Okay, so, thought experiment. Someone gets cut into a lot of pieces. What do you have to touch to resurrect them? The largest piece? Any piece? No piece, the body is destroyed? What constitutes β€˜destroyed’? If getting cut into pieces counts, then how much of the body has to be missing?

                  RAW doesn’t really adequately address this situation.

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                  its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  My comment was about the plan for gentle repose, but if you’re talking about the resurrection spell it does have text that overcomes this problem, because it regenerates any lost limbs.

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                  • I its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                    My comment was about the plan for gentle repose, but if you’re talking about the resurrection spell it does have text that overcomes this problem, because it regenerates any lost limbs.

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                    koboldcoterie@pawb.social
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                    Sure, but… which piece gets regenerated? The one you touch?

                    In that case, why couldn’t the spell be cast on the severed finger to regenerate an entire body attached to it?

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                    • koboldcoterie@pawb.socialK koboldcoterie@pawb.social

                      Sure, but… which piece gets regenerated? The one you touch?

                      In that case, why couldn’t the spell be cast on the severed finger to regenerate an entire body attached to it?

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                      its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                      It can. My problem was using gentle repose on a severed finger. Looking back it seems like that might not be what you were suggesting. If so my mistake.

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                      • I its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                        It can. My problem was using gentle repose on a severed finger. Looking back it seems like that might not be what you were suggesting. If so my mistake.

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                        koboldcoterie@pawb.social
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                        #37

                        Ah, sorry, I think there’s two different competing discussions happening in this same thread. I’m also getting confused about what’s being discussed. πŸ˜„

                        I was proposing (for example) embalming a finger to prevent decay and having a permanent True Resurrection β€˜target’, not using Gentle Repose specifically, but I can see where the ambiguity came from.

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                        • koboldcoterie@pawb.socialK koboldcoterie@pawb.social

                          Ah, sorry, I think there’s two different competing discussions happening in this same thread. I’m also getting confused about what’s being discussed. πŸ˜„

                          I was proposing (for example) embalming a finger to prevent decay and having a permanent True Resurrection β€˜target’, not using Gentle Repose specifically, but I can see where the ambiguity came from.

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                          its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                          Magic doesn’t make any sense. lol

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                            Lord British be like

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                            • A astutemural@midwest.social

                              This really gets into the foundational expectations of the setting.

                              In a reality structured to allow for Heroes, a leader must be one, or else be replaced by the next one to stroll through.

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                              dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                              Hero might be the wrong word except in the traditional sense of demigod. There’s an implicit positive moral judgement in the term that being a monarch has very little to do with.

                              I’d also argue that it’s more that monarchy by its own self justification is based on the idea that the king protects, and therefore effectively owns, his subjects. A king might do that by effective governance however. If they can’t do it personally they’d need the loyalty of a champion, for example.

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                              • A archpawn@lemmy.world

                                I thought this was going to be spam. I recommend saying what you’re posting a link to. Or at least something that makes it clear you’re replying to a specific comment instead of posting that at random.

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                                verseandvermin@lemmy.world
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                                I responded to his comment about the Birthright setting with a video on the Birthright setting. I suppose I could have been more clear, but I definitely did respond to someone and did not post at random.

                                Funny thing, there was a 2e setting called Birthright, which pretty much made the game about developing land as a lord, rather than dungeon delving

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                                • V verseandvermin@lemmy.world

                                  I responded to his comment about the Birthright setting with a video on the Birthright setting. I suppose I could have been more clear, but I definitely did respond to someone and did not post at random.

                                  Funny thing, there was a 2e setting called Birthright, which pretty much made the game about developing land as a lord, rather than dungeon delving

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                                  archpawn@lemmy.world
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                                  I know. It’s just that I only know because I clicked the link.

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                                  • A archpawn@lemmy.world

                                    I know. It’s just that I only know because I clicked the link.

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                                    verseandvermin@lemmy.world
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                                    Fair enough. I will keep it in mind. πŸ™‚

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