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When will America realize that this is not a joke. They'll be laughing right up to the goosestepping.

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    jimw@mander.xyz
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    That’s exactly what the people being deported from the US are feeling.

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    • DylanMc6 [any, any]D DylanMc6 [any, any]

      We need socialism

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      Phoenixz
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      Yeah, well, capitalism’s propaganda is working boat loads better, hence so many idiots defending it

      Fwiw, I think we should have a capitalist system with hard caps on net Worth. Anything over 10M goes straight to taxes. Nobody should be able to get more than X % of all the votes, ever. Govt regulates legislation on products, safety, etc, for consumers.

      This way we get the best of capitalism (free trade, basically), nobody gets too rich, nobody gets too powerful, and the government has a huge income for a giant socialist system with free healthcare, free education, free transportation, free housing, ubi, you name it.

      Governments can sponsor independent journalism financing institutions that can in turn finance real independent journalism that can keep everyone honest

      If nobody is too powerful, if everyone is honest and well informed, nobody can start a war over bullshit reasons anymore

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      • W wonderingwanderer

        What other options do you propose?

        I’m aware the midterms aren’t failsafe, but they’re the closest thing to hope that we have.

        And if people make the same mistake as last time by boycotting the vote, then their defeatism will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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        heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.world
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        #144

        if we are relying on legal processes, we wait until midterms, magically retake the house and enough of the senate to impeach and unseat. that places the speaker of the house (not maga) in.

        if we are relying on extralegal methods, we really ought to have better operational security than to discuss it on the internet. so…

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        • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

          Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.

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          asg101@lemmy.ca
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          Anyone who thinks warmongering, fascism, and terrorism are unAmerican has not read much American history. The U.S.A was founded on genocide, grown on slavery, and has oligarchy baked in to their constitution. Hitler studied the way the U.S. treated indigenous and black people to form his genocide plans, and Israel has built on both the U.S. and Nazi examples for their treatment of Palestine.

          The beat goes on.

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          • P Phoenixz

            Yeah, well, capitalism’s propaganda is working boat loads better, hence so many idiots defending it

            Fwiw, I think we should have a capitalist system with hard caps on net Worth. Anything over 10M goes straight to taxes. Nobody should be able to get more than X % of all the votes, ever. Govt regulates legislation on products, safety, etc, for consumers.

            This way we get the best of capitalism (free trade, basically), nobody gets too rich, nobody gets too powerful, and the government has a huge income for a giant socialist system with free healthcare, free education, free transportation, free housing, ubi, you name it.

            Governments can sponsor independent journalism financing institutions that can in turn finance real independent journalism that can keep everyone honest

            If nobody is too powerful, if everyone is honest and well informed, nobody can start a war over bullshit reasons anymore

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            asg101@lemmy.ca
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            #146

            I think we should have a capitalist system with hard caps on net Worth.

            Stage one cancer is still cancer. All capitalism is exploitation.

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            • B bagsy@lemmy.world

              Thats the thing, I dont know what the medicine should be.

              I feel like we are waiting either for an incident like you suggest, or a leader who is able to rally the un-interested, un-motivated, and burned out masses. The left does not have their super star yet.

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              _chris@lemmy.world
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              Yeah, I agree. The left’s leadership is really just “less right”, but equally owned by corporations. That’s not gonna do anything for us.

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              • P Phoenixz

                Yeah, well, capitalism’s propaganda is working boat loads better, hence so many idiots defending it

                Fwiw, I think we should have a capitalist system with hard caps on net Worth. Anything over 10M goes straight to taxes. Nobody should be able to get more than X % of all the votes, ever. Govt regulates legislation on products, safety, etc, for consumers.

                This way we get the best of capitalism (free trade, basically), nobody gets too rich, nobody gets too powerful, and the government has a huge income for a giant socialist system with free healthcare, free education, free transportation, free housing, ubi, you name it.

                Governments can sponsor independent journalism financing institutions that can in turn finance real independent journalism that can keep everyone honest

                If nobody is too powerful, if everyone is honest and well informed, nobody can start a war over bullshit reasons anymore

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                DylanMc6 [any, any]
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                #148

                Are you saying you prefer market socialism? I think that the means of productions would be owned by the people through markets. If NOT market socialism, I can assume you prefer democratic socialism or social democracy.

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                • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

                  Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.

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                  beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  We already realize that, you have to understand there’s multiple groups in the USA with varying views on what’s going on. Not everyone is with the fascists or apathetic to it. People calling for us to start armed rebellion in the streets of the USA do not understand the social dynamics nor general size such would have to be. I’m okay with fascists being afraid but until we have a strong majority, especially the apathetic, to agree, they’ll be labeled terrorists by the state as well as all our main media.

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                  • spacecowboy@lemmy.caS spacecowboy@lemmy.ca

                    Poland was the last step, which is what started WWII. I think you mean Czechoslovakia (or maybe the Rhineland) was the first step.

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                    rarsamx@lemmy.ca
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                    #150

                    Thanks for the correction.

                    Just the first step 😔

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                    • S shaggyb@lemmy.world

                      You don’t get it.

                      The people posting shit like that WANT TO KILL.

                      They are bloodthirsty. They are warmongers. They want a bodycount.

                      There’s nothing more to realize about the joke because it’s not a joke.

                      America is ruled by murderers.

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                      beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                      Yes and they have a sizable enough of supporters who would turn those guns inwards that just going to the streets armed without proper organization isn’t going to do jack shit. Stop calling for us to just blindly kill each other you fucking dimwits. People talk about how stupid Americans are but dear god is the mirror shattered in them understanding us.

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                      • remembertheapollo_@lemmy.worldR remembertheapollo_@lemmy.world

                        Miller is the ghoul behind a lot of the worst of what the government is doing. Trump is bad, but he’s an idiot. Miller knows what he’s doing and has a plan.

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                        beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                        Trump is the demagogue that controls the masses, they’re the puppeteers controlling him. They KNOW he doesn’t have long so they’re doing what they can in a short amount of time. The USA is now a hostile power in the world and people don’t realize that. What are they going to demand their governments do?

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                        • K kent_eh@lemmy.ca

                          and no single person can solve the problem.

                          That’s a big part of their problem. They keep thinking about individual actions instead of coming together and acting as a group toward a common goal.

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                          beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                          And a lot of people outside the USA looking in don’t realize the social dynamics. I want to stop this, but a lot needs to happen first as lone wolfing just gets you labeled a terrorists and extra judicially killed.

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                          • V velindora@lemmy.cafe

                            I agree. And that is why the US is done for. No one is willing to stay until we get what we want… and want is subjective.

                            Best to pack up and move to another country if they can.

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                            beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                            That’s practically impossible for majority of people in the USA. Even to get to Canada is a long, arduous process with lots of trips and cost associated with it if they want you.

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                            • W wonderingwanderer

                              How do you strike if you’re already unemployed? So many people are already losing their jobs to automation and AI.

                              Also, one of the most insidious aspects of american healthcare is that by tying it to employment, people become utterly dependent on their employers. They lose a lot of leverage.

                              How do you risk your livelihood when you have cancer or diabetes and your corporate benefits are the only way you can afford healthcare?

                              Not to mention, most of the american workforce is not unionized. How do you organize a strike without workers unions?

                              Plus, there is a precedent in recent history where congress can pass legislation making it illegal for workers to continue a strike. How that doesn’t qualify as forced labor, is beyond me.

                              So you see, there are many roadblocks to having an effective strike in the US, especially when the american system has been designed over the decades and centuries specifically to advance and protect the interests of the wealthy elite.

                              It’s not about making excuses, it’s about acknowledging the practical realities that get in the way of progress.

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                              beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                              To add to that yeah, there’s a lot of guns in this country. In a lot of people’s hands. Including those OKAY with all this.

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                              • heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.worldH heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.world

                                if we are relying on legal processes, we wait until midterms, magically retake the house and enough of the senate to impeach and unseat. that places the speaker of the house (not maga) in.

                                if we are relying on extralegal methods, we really ought to have better operational security than to discuss it on the internet. so…

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                                beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                #156

                                That’s the thing, you won’t find the resistance units online at all if they’re smart. Can’t even take a turned off cellphone with you, we really should have studied more of the French and Norwegian resistances as well as other countries need to do what they did to Germany in WWII.

                                Edit: A missed word that changes a lot.

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                                • B beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                  That’s practically impossible for majority of people in the USA. Even to get to Canada is a long, arduous process with lots of trips and cost associated with it if they want you.

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                                  velindora@lemmy.cafe
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                                  Well, being a desirable person does help the process. If you’ll be a drain on their economy, you’re not likely to be accepted.

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                                  • V velindora@lemmy.cafe

                                    Well, being a desirable person does help the process. If you’ll be a drain on their economy, you’re not likely to be accepted.

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                                    beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                    Which about a third of America is poor, poorly educated, and might not have marketable skills. Canada also seems more focused on bringing in healthcare professionals right now.

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                                    • B beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                      Which about a third of America is poor, poorly educated, and might not have marketable skills. Canada also seems more focused on bringing in healthcare professionals right now.

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                                      velindora@lemmy.cafe
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                                      That’s how I’m jumping the line. 😅🏥

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                                      • B beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                        To add to that yeah, there’s a lot of guns in this country. In a lot of people’s hands. Including those OKAY with all this.

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                                        wonderingwanderer
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                                        And the rittenhouse case shows that in america, you can get away with shooting/murdering protesters, if you’re a white conservative.

                                        But a liberal counter-protester bringing a gun to a trump rally? Not even white privilege will protect you at that point…

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                                        • R rarsamx@lemmy.ca

                                          I am Mexican Canadian.

                                          Mexico hasn’t forgotten about all the stolen territory. Yes, they call it sale and secession and whatever, it was stolen.

                                          If I put a gun to your head and ask you to sell me a property you have for $10. You are going to do it. I’d say I purchased it. I’m sure you’ll say I stole it.

                                          So, why do disagree?

                                          Because of the wise reflection of “first they came for the…”

                                          Well. If we don’t stand against them taking over Venezuela, who is going to stand with us when they try to take over us (Greenland, Canada, Mexico and the rest)

                                          The manifest Destiny is no joke.

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                                          gammelfisch@lemmy.world
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                                          indeed and the Alamo was setup to fail to create an excuse to invade Mexico. There were more Texas-Mexicans defending the Alamo than Caucasians.

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