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  • P patatas@sh.itjust.works

    Yes, and apparently they include 35% tariffs across the board now. So the question remains, what did we get for dropping the DST?

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    arkouda@lemmy.ca
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    The trade talks have “included tariffs” the entire time, and the question does not remain because we got trade talks with the US reopened after dropping the DST that the US cancelled after we implemented it.

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    • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

      Can you explain to me how the US cancels trade talks over the DST, Canada drops the DST, and the US resumes trade talks in response to the dropped DST is not the answer to the question “What did we get for the DST removal?”?

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      hikingvet@lemmy.ca
      wrote on last edited by hikingvet@lemmy.ca
      #43

      Resuming trade talks when the US created the mess, getting something in return from the orange one. What did we get?

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        Resuming trade talks when the US created the mess, getting something in return from the orange one. What did we get?

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        arkouda@lemmy.ca
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        I am not going to argue with you over your own opinion regarding what it means to “get something” in a trade talk.

        Fact is the US ended all trade negotiations over the DST, meaning we won’t discuss trading any further, until Canada dropped the DST and the US reopened negotiations. Which means “ability to negotiate trade again” is literally “what we got”.

        I am sorry that is not good enough for you, but that is what happened and you can verify it through basically any source.

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        • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

          The trade talks have “included tariffs” the entire time, and the question does not remain because we got trade talks with the US reopened after dropping the DST that the US cancelled after we implemented it.

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          hikingvet@lemmy.ca
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          #45

          So he acts like a child and we are supposed to be honoured that he came back to the table? These aren’t trade talks. They are extortion and this fucking clown ripped up HIS OWN AGREEMENT.

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            So he acts like a child and we are supposed to be honoured that he came back to the table? These aren’t trade talks. They are extortion and this fucking clown ripped up HIS OWN AGREEMENT.

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            arkouda@lemmy.ca
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            I sincerely do not care about any of this. I was simply answering a question.

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            • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

              I sincerely do not care about any of this. I was simply answering a question.

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              hikingvet@lemmy.ca
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              Yeah and poorly at that.

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                ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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                Less trade with the US the better

                Hopefully he actually follows through

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                • A aeppelcyning@lemmy.ca

                  Carney needs to grow a pair. I’ve had enough of him not saying anything. We voted for elbows up, not subservience. I’m still not clear what we got for the DST removal.

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                  canconda@lemmy.ca
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                  #49

                  I’m also an NDP voter that voted LPC over CPC. I knew we wouldn’t get Value(s) Carney, but I do believe that if anyone is going to shift capitalism in a better direction it would be him.

                  As a former bouncer I completely disagree that silence is a sign of weakness or subservience. That’s just good tact. Never argue with an idiot, they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

                  Elbows Up doesn’t mean you should draw a penalty. You’re supposed to hit them hard and get away with it.

                  As far as the DST. I find it interesting that a tax we never collected is being framed as a loss we deserve compensation for.

                  A month ago I thought bills C-2 & C-5 were overreach, and their lack of oversight definitely is… I wrote several letters to that effect. But given the continuation of Trumps annexation rhetoric, I now recognize those bills were designed for a political environment that is still burgeoning.

                  Based on Trumps usage of ICE I believe it’s inevitable that the USA will use domestic crossings to affect some form of hybrid war against Canada. Russia & China will certainly occupy northern Canada if we don’t rapidly expand our national infrastructure.

                  These threats, I believe, do justify deprioritizing environmental concerns, to a degree.

                  I think the silver lining is that Carney’s energy expansion in to oil/gas is not mutually exclusive with expanding renewable energy.

                  I also sold mortgages for a short time and saw the industry change more in 24 months than 24 years. I agree that the least harmful economic solution to housing is to freeze housing prices where they are until cost of living and supply normalize. The alternative of housing prices drop would have a net negative effect. The CMHC in 2014 & 15 made major changes to reduce Canadian borrowing power to avoid a post mortgage crisis of mass defaults like what we saw in the USA.

                  I think the world is too volatile right now to expect concrete plans that aren’t heavily hedged. Carney is playing the game correctly by holding Canada’s cards close and not telling his bluffs.

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                  • C canconda@lemmy.ca

                    I’m also an NDP voter that voted LPC over CPC. I knew we wouldn’t get Value(s) Carney, but I do believe that if anyone is going to shift capitalism in a better direction it would be him.

                    As a former bouncer I completely disagree that silence is a sign of weakness or subservience. That’s just good tact. Never argue with an idiot, they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

                    Elbows Up doesn’t mean you should draw a penalty. You’re supposed to hit them hard and get away with it.

                    As far as the DST. I find it interesting that a tax we never collected is being framed as a loss we deserve compensation for.

                    A month ago I thought bills C-2 & C-5 were overreach, and their lack of oversight definitely is… I wrote several letters to that effect. But given the continuation of Trumps annexation rhetoric, I now recognize those bills were designed for a political environment that is still burgeoning.

                    Based on Trumps usage of ICE I believe it’s inevitable that the USA will use domestic crossings to affect some form of hybrid war against Canada. Russia & China will certainly occupy northern Canada if we don’t rapidly expand our national infrastructure.

                    These threats, I believe, do justify deprioritizing environmental concerns, to a degree.

                    I think the silver lining is that Carney’s energy expansion in to oil/gas is not mutually exclusive with expanding renewable energy.

                    I also sold mortgages for a short time and saw the industry change more in 24 months than 24 years. I agree that the least harmful economic solution to housing is to freeze housing prices where they are until cost of living and supply normalize. The alternative of housing prices drop would have a net negative effect. The CMHC in 2014 & 15 made major changes to reduce Canadian borrowing power to avoid a post mortgage crisis of mass defaults like what we saw in the USA.

                    I think the world is too volatile right now to expect concrete plans that aren’t heavily hedged. Carney is playing the game correctly by holding Canada’s cards close and not telling his bluffs.

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                    kent_eh@lemmy.ca
                    wrote on last edited by kent_eh@lemmy.ca
                    #50

                    holding Canada’s cards close and not telling his bluffs.

                    That’s what the “just tell us what you’re doing in the negotiations” crowd seems to miss.

                    It would be colossally stupid to put out a press release that tells the other players what cards you’re holding, and what your planned strategy is.

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                    • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

                      So fucken true!! Really disappointed in Carney so far. He’s not standing up to Trump, doing everything in secret, no updates. Paying American companies for military equipment (night vision), not cancelling the fighter jets order, begging the abuser to trade with us while we’re giving shit up left right and centre. Fuck this!! But PP and cons would not be better.

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                      kent_eh@lemmy.ca
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                      doing everything in secret, no updates.

                      Do you think it would be beneficial for him to put out a press release saying what aces he has up his sleeve, what the plan is to counter Trump’s next move, or any other parts of the negotiations?

                      Do you think the Americans won’t love to learn those things?

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                      • K kent_eh@lemmy.ca

                        holding Canada’s cards close and not telling his bluffs.

                        That’s what the “just tell us what you’re doing in the negotiations” crowd seems to miss.

                        It would be colossally stupid to put out a press release that tells the other players what cards you’re holding, and what your planned strategy is.

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                        canconda@lemmy.ca
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                        Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.

                        • Sun Tzu

                        Those people also don’t appreciate that in the context of Trumps unpredictability no publicly made plans would remain unchanged.

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                        • K kent_eh@lemmy.ca

                          doing everything in secret, no updates.

                          Do you think it would be beneficial for him to put out a press release saying what aces he has up his sleeve, what the plan is to counter Trump’s next move, or any other parts of the negotiations?

                          Do you think the Americans won’t love to learn those things?

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                          circav@lemmy.ca
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                          He should be making weekly statements to Canadians, I thought we were in an emergency or crisis and Carney get elected then clams TF up. Could be vague but he should be communicating with Canada and giving us a status update. Actually Carney should just fucking walk away.

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                            ironkrill@lemmy.ca
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                            This letter has to be one of the greatest rage-bait posts ever. Trump really know how to do it.

                            the United States of America has agreed to continue working with Canada, despite Canada having financially retaliated against the United States

                            Barely and only after he swung the first blow and started shit over nothing, yeah.

                            the United States imposed Tariffs on Canada to deal with our National Fentanyl crisis, which is caused, in part, by Canada’s failure to stop the drugs from pouring into our Country.

                            “In part” meaning less than a single percent. “Failure to stop” meaning a massive increase in border presence and fentanyl seizures.

                            Source

                            Instead of working with the United States

                            See above, we implemented border security measures to appease the charade of Fentanyl being an issue.

                            Source

                            there will be no Tariff if Canada, or companies within your Country, decide to build or manufacture product within the United States

                            Perfect! Let’s just make ourselves the States’ little bitch, completely reliant on them for everything and with no details on how much production we even have to move over so that he can just say we didn’t fulfill our part of the bargain whenever he wants. Why wouldn’t we do that? Jesus H Christ.

                            Canada charges extraordinary Tariffs to our Dairy Farmers — up to 400%

                            Two things, 1. tariffs to protect your local agriculture makes sense to not become reliant on other countries for food. 2. that “up to” is doing HEAVY lifting as those high rates are almost never in effect¹, so why do you even care. Oh right, you don’t care! This is all a sham.

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                            • C canconda@lemmy.ca

                              I’m also an NDP voter that voted LPC over CPC. I knew we wouldn’t get Value(s) Carney, but I do believe that if anyone is going to shift capitalism in a better direction it would be him.

                              As a former bouncer I completely disagree that silence is a sign of weakness or subservience. That’s just good tact. Never argue with an idiot, they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

                              Elbows Up doesn’t mean you should draw a penalty. You’re supposed to hit them hard and get away with it.

                              As far as the DST. I find it interesting that a tax we never collected is being framed as a loss we deserve compensation for.

                              A month ago I thought bills C-2 & C-5 were overreach, and their lack of oversight definitely is… I wrote several letters to that effect. But given the continuation of Trumps annexation rhetoric, I now recognize those bills were designed for a political environment that is still burgeoning.

                              Based on Trumps usage of ICE I believe it’s inevitable that the USA will use domestic crossings to affect some form of hybrid war against Canada. Russia & China will certainly occupy northern Canada if we don’t rapidly expand our national infrastructure.

                              These threats, I believe, do justify deprioritizing environmental concerns, to a degree.

                              I think the silver lining is that Carney’s energy expansion in to oil/gas is not mutually exclusive with expanding renewable energy.

                              I also sold mortgages for a short time and saw the industry change more in 24 months than 24 years. I agree that the least harmful economic solution to housing is to freeze housing prices where they are until cost of living and supply normalize. The alternative of housing prices drop would have a net negative effect. The CMHC in 2014 & 15 made major changes to reduce Canadian borrowing power to avoid a post mortgage crisis of mass defaults like what we saw in the USA.

                              I think the world is too volatile right now to expect concrete plans that aren’t heavily hedged. Carney is playing the game correctly by holding Canada’s cards close and not telling his bluffs.

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                              teppa
                              wrote on last edited by teppa@piefed.ca
                              #55

                              Housing prices rose because we brought in 1.4 million people in a single year and tripled immigration, blaming capitalism for that seems a bit silly. Trying to implement price controls is great but how do you decide who gets the cheaper house, you’ve done nothing to improve the supply while the demand continues to increase.

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                                Nik282000
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                                👏 Turn 👏 off 👏 the 👏 power.

                                Even just for an hour. Until all levels of US government understands that Canada is able to disrupt their country in a massive way they will keep playing these stupid games.

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                                  👏 Turn 👏 off 👏 the 👏 power.

                                  Even just for an hour. Until all levels of US government understands that Canada is able to disrupt their country in a massive way they will keep playing these stupid games.

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                                  laserturboshark69@sh.itjust.works
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                                  Idk I feel like cutting off basic needs for large swathes of civilians might be an irresponsible escalation of an already devolving situation

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                                    freshparsnip@lemmy.ca
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                                    I just want him to make up his mind and stick to it

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                                    • ironkrill@lemmy.caI ironkrill@lemmy.ca

                                      This letter has to be one of the greatest rage-bait posts ever. Trump really know how to do it.

                                      the United States of America has agreed to continue working with Canada, despite Canada having financially retaliated against the United States

                                      Barely and only after he swung the first blow and started shit over nothing, yeah.

                                      the United States imposed Tariffs on Canada to deal with our National Fentanyl crisis, which is caused, in part, by Canada’s failure to stop the drugs from pouring into our Country.

                                      “In part” meaning less than a single percent. “Failure to stop” meaning a massive increase in border presence and fentanyl seizures.

                                      Source

                                      Instead of working with the United States

                                      See above, we implemented border security measures to appease the charade of Fentanyl being an issue.

                                      Source

                                      there will be no Tariff if Canada, or companies within your Country, decide to build or manufacture product within the United States

                                      Perfect! Let’s just make ourselves the States’ little bitch, completely reliant on them for everything and with no details on how much production we even have to move over so that he can just say we didn’t fulfill our part of the bargain whenever he wants. Why wouldn’t we do that? Jesus H Christ.

                                      Canada charges extraordinary Tariffs to our Dairy Farmers — up to 400%

                                      Two things, 1. tariffs to protect your local agriculture makes sense to not become reliant on other countries for food. 2. that “up to” is doing HEAVY lifting as those high rates are almost never in effect¹, so why do you even care. Oh right, you don’t care! This is all a sham.

                                      ¹ Source

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                                      c4551e@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                      it’s only enraging if you take him at his word, which you should never do. It’s all lies and projection, and he’s going to do whatever he’s going to do regardless of the response.

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                                      • L laserturboshark69@sh.itjust.works

                                        Idk I feel like cutting off basic needs for large swathes of civilians might be an irresponsible escalation of an already devolving situation

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                                        Nik282000
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                                        They are already doing just that to their own people AND we are in their sights. How much to Canadians have to suffer before it’s “ok” to push back.

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                                          canadiancorhen@lemmy.ca
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                                          Just match the American tariffs. They will end up doing the same thing as they did with China: end up backing off.

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