Trump threatens 35% tariffs on Canada starting Aug. 1
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Resuming trade talks when the US created the mess, getting something in return from the orange one. What did we get?
I am not going to argue with you over your own opinion regarding what it means to “get something” in a trade talk.
Fact is the US ended all trade negotiations over the DST, meaning we won’t discuss trading any further, until Canada dropped the DST and the US reopened negotiations. Which means “ability to negotiate trade again” is literally “what we got”.
I am sorry that is not good enough for you, but that is what happened and you can verify it through basically any source.
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The trade talks have “included tariffs” the entire time, and the question does not remain because we got trade talks with the US reopened after dropping the DST that the US cancelled after we implemented it.
So he acts like a child and we are supposed to be honoured that he came back to the table? These aren’t trade talks. They are extortion and this fucking clown ripped up HIS OWN AGREEMENT.
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So he acts like a child and we are supposed to be honoured that he came back to the table? These aren’t trade talks. They are extortion and this fucking clown ripped up HIS OWN AGREEMENT.
I sincerely do not care about any of this. I was simply answering a question.
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I sincerely do not care about any of this. I was simply answering a question.
Yeah and poorly at that.
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Less trade with the US the better
Hopefully he actually follows through
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Carney needs to grow a pair. I’ve had enough of him not saying anything. We voted for elbows up, not subservience. I’m still not clear what we got for the DST removal.
I’m also an NDP voter that voted LPC over CPC. I knew we wouldn’t get Value(s) Carney, but I do believe that if anyone is going to shift capitalism in a better direction it would be him.
As a former bouncer I completely disagree that silence is a sign of weakness or subservience. That’s just good tact. Never argue with an idiot, they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Elbows Up doesn’t mean you should draw a penalty. You’re supposed to hit them hard and get away with it.
As far as the DST. I find it interesting that a tax we never collected is being framed as a loss we deserve compensation for.
A month ago I thought bills C-2 & C-5 were overreach, and their lack of oversight definitely is… I wrote several letters to that effect. But given the continuation of Trumps annexation rhetoric, I now recognize those bills were designed for a political environment that is still burgeoning.
Based on Trumps usage of ICE I believe it’s inevitable that the USA will use domestic crossings to affect some form of hybrid war against Canada. Russia & China will certainly occupy northern Canada if we don’t rapidly expand our national infrastructure.
These threats, I believe, do justify deprioritizing environmental concerns, to a degree.
I think the silver lining is that Carney’s energy expansion in to oil/gas is not mutually exclusive with expanding renewable energy.
I also sold mortgages for a short time and saw the industry change more in 24 months than 24 years. I agree that the least harmful economic solution to housing is to freeze housing prices where they are until cost of living and supply normalize. The alternative of housing prices drop would have a net negative effect. The CMHC in 2014 & 15 made major changes to reduce Canadian borrowing power to avoid a post mortgage crisis of mass defaults like what we saw in the USA.
I think the world is too volatile right now to expect concrete plans that aren’t heavily hedged. Carney is playing the game correctly by holding Canada’s cards close and not telling his bluffs.
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I’m also an NDP voter that voted LPC over CPC. I knew we wouldn’t get Value(s) Carney, but I do believe that if anyone is going to shift capitalism in a better direction it would be him.
As a former bouncer I completely disagree that silence is a sign of weakness or subservience. That’s just good tact. Never argue with an idiot, they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Elbows Up doesn’t mean you should draw a penalty. You’re supposed to hit them hard and get away with it.
As far as the DST. I find it interesting that a tax we never collected is being framed as a loss we deserve compensation for.
A month ago I thought bills C-2 & C-5 were overreach, and their lack of oversight definitely is… I wrote several letters to that effect. But given the continuation of Trumps annexation rhetoric, I now recognize those bills were designed for a political environment that is still burgeoning.
Based on Trumps usage of ICE I believe it’s inevitable that the USA will use domestic crossings to affect some form of hybrid war against Canada. Russia & China will certainly occupy northern Canada if we don’t rapidly expand our national infrastructure.
These threats, I believe, do justify deprioritizing environmental concerns, to a degree.
I think the silver lining is that Carney’s energy expansion in to oil/gas is not mutually exclusive with expanding renewable energy.
I also sold mortgages for a short time and saw the industry change more in 24 months than 24 years. I agree that the least harmful economic solution to housing is to freeze housing prices where they are until cost of living and supply normalize. The alternative of housing prices drop would have a net negative effect. The CMHC in 2014 & 15 made major changes to reduce Canadian borrowing power to avoid a post mortgage crisis of mass defaults like what we saw in the USA.
I think the world is too volatile right now to expect concrete plans that aren’t heavily hedged. Carney is playing the game correctly by holding Canada’s cards close and not telling his bluffs.
holding Canada’s cards close and not telling his bluffs.
That’s what the “just tell us what you’re doing in the negotiations” crowd seems to miss.
It would be colossally stupid to put out a press release that tells the other players what cards you’re holding, and what your planned strategy is.
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So fucken true!! Really disappointed in Carney so far. He’s not standing up to Trump, doing everything in secret, no updates. Paying American companies for military equipment (night vision), not cancelling the fighter jets order, begging the abuser to trade with us while we’re giving shit up left right and centre. Fuck this!! But PP and cons would not be better.
doing everything in secret, no updates.
Do you think it would be beneficial for him to put out a press release saying what aces he has up his sleeve, what the plan is to counter Trump’s next move, or any other parts of the negotiations?
Do you think the Americans won’t love to learn those things?
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holding Canada’s cards close and not telling his bluffs.
That’s what the “just tell us what you’re doing in the negotiations” crowd seems to miss.
It would be colossally stupid to put out a press release that tells the other players what cards you’re holding, and what your planned strategy is.
Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.
- Sun Tzu
Those people also don’t appreciate that in the context of Trumps unpredictability no publicly made plans would remain unchanged.
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doing everything in secret, no updates.
Do you think it would be beneficial for him to put out a press release saying what aces he has up his sleeve, what the plan is to counter Trump’s next move, or any other parts of the negotiations?
Do you think the Americans won’t love to learn those things?
He should be making weekly statements to Canadians, I thought we were in an emergency or crisis and Carney get elected then clams TF up. Could be vague but he should be communicating with Canada and giving us a status update. Actually Carney should just fucking walk away.
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This letter has to be one of the greatest rage-bait posts ever. Trump really know how to do it.
the United States of America has agreed to continue working with Canada, despite Canada having financially retaliated against the United States
Barely and only after he swung the first blow and started shit over nothing, yeah.
the United States imposed Tariffs on Canada to deal with our National Fentanyl crisis, which is caused, in part, by Canada’s failure to stop the drugs from pouring into our Country.
“In part” meaning less than a single percent. “Failure to stop” meaning a massive increase in border presence and fentanyl seizures.
Instead of working with the United States
See above, we implemented border security measures to appease the charade of Fentanyl being an issue.
there will be no Tariff if Canada, or companies within your Country, decide to build or manufacture product within the United States
Perfect! Let’s just make ourselves the States’ little bitch, completely reliant on them for everything and with no details on how much production we even have to move over so that he can just say we didn’t fulfill our part of the bargain whenever he wants. Why wouldn’t we do that? Jesus H Christ.
Canada charges extraordinary Tariffs to our Dairy Farmers — up to 400%
Two things, 1. tariffs to protect your local agriculture makes sense to not become reliant on other countries for food. 2. that “up to” is doing HEAVY lifting as those high rates are almost never in effect¹, so why do you even care. Oh right, you don’t care! This is all a sham.
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I’m also an NDP voter that voted LPC over CPC. I knew we wouldn’t get Value(s) Carney, but I do believe that if anyone is going to shift capitalism in a better direction it would be him.
As a former bouncer I completely disagree that silence is a sign of weakness or subservience. That’s just good tact. Never argue with an idiot, they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Elbows Up doesn’t mean you should draw a penalty. You’re supposed to hit them hard and get away with it.
As far as the DST. I find it interesting that a tax we never collected is being framed as a loss we deserve compensation for.
A month ago I thought bills C-2 & C-5 were overreach, and their lack of oversight definitely is… I wrote several letters to that effect. But given the continuation of Trumps annexation rhetoric, I now recognize those bills were designed for a political environment that is still burgeoning.
Based on Trumps usage of ICE I believe it’s inevitable that the USA will use domestic crossings to affect some form of hybrid war against Canada. Russia & China will certainly occupy northern Canada if we don’t rapidly expand our national infrastructure.
These threats, I believe, do justify deprioritizing environmental concerns, to a degree.
I think the silver lining is that Carney’s energy expansion in to oil/gas is not mutually exclusive with expanding renewable energy.
I also sold mortgages for a short time and saw the industry change more in 24 months than 24 years. I agree that the least harmful economic solution to housing is to freeze housing prices where they are until cost of living and supply normalize. The alternative of housing prices drop would have a net negative effect. The CMHC in 2014 & 15 made major changes to reduce Canadian borrowing power to avoid a post mortgage crisis of mass defaults like what we saw in the USA.
I think the world is too volatile right now to expect concrete plans that aren’t heavily hedged. Carney is playing the game correctly by holding Canada’s cards close and not telling his bluffs.
Housing prices rose because we brought in 1.4 million people in a single year and tripled immigration, blaming capitalism for that seems a bit silly. Trying to implement price controls is great but how do you decide who gets the cheaper house, you’ve done nothing to improve the supply while the demand continues to increase.
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Turn off the power.Even just for an hour. Until all levels of US government understands that Canada is able to disrupt their country in a massive way they will keep playing these stupid games.
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Turn off the power.
Even just for an hour. Until all levels of US government understands that Canada is able to disrupt their country in a massive way they will keep playing these stupid games.
Idk I feel like cutting off basic needs for large swathes of civilians might be an irresponsible escalation of an already devolving situation
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I just want him to make up his mind and stick to it
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This letter has to be one of the greatest rage-bait posts ever. Trump really know how to do it.
the United States of America has agreed to continue working with Canada, despite Canada having financially retaliated against the United States
Barely and only after he swung the first blow and started shit over nothing, yeah.
the United States imposed Tariffs on Canada to deal with our National Fentanyl crisis, which is caused, in part, by Canada’s failure to stop the drugs from pouring into our Country.
“In part” meaning less than a single percent. “Failure to stop” meaning a massive increase in border presence and fentanyl seizures.
Instead of working with the United States
See above, we implemented border security measures to appease the charade of Fentanyl being an issue.
there will be no Tariff if Canada, or companies within your Country, decide to build or manufacture product within the United States
Perfect! Let’s just make ourselves the States’ little bitch, completely reliant on them for everything and with no details on how much production we even have to move over so that he can just say we didn’t fulfill our part of the bargain whenever he wants. Why wouldn’t we do that? Jesus H Christ.
Canada charges extraordinary Tariffs to our Dairy Farmers — up to 400%
Two things, 1. tariffs to protect your local agriculture makes sense to not become reliant on other countries for food. 2. that “up to” is doing HEAVY lifting as those high rates are almost never in effect¹, so why do you even care. Oh right, you don’t care! This is all a sham.
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it’s only enraging if you take him at his word, which you should never do. It’s all lies and projection, and he’s going to do whatever he’s going to do regardless of the response.
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Idk I feel like cutting off basic needs for large swathes of civilians might be an irresponsible escalation of an already devolving situation
They are already doing just that to their own people AND we are in their sights. How much to Canadians have to suffer before it’s “ok” to push back.
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Just match the American tariffs. They will end up doing the same thing as they did with China: end up backing off.
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I’m also an NDP voter that voted LPC over CPC. I knew we wouldn’t get Value(s) Carney, but I do believe that if anyone is going to shift capitalism in a better direction it would be him.
As a former bouncer I completely disagree that silence is a sign of weakness or subservience. That’s just good tact. Never argue with an idiot, they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Elbows Up doesn’t mean you should draw a penalty. You’re supposed to hit them hard and get away with it.
As far as the DST. I find it interesting that a tax we never collected is being framed as a loss we deserve compensation for.
A month ago I thought bills C-2 & C-5 were overreach, and their lack of oversight definitely is… I wrote several letters to that effect. But given the continuation of Trumps annexation rhetoric, I now recognize those bills were designed for a political environment that is still burgeoning.
Based on Trumps usage of ICE I believe it’s inevitable that the USA will use domestic crossings to affect some form of hybrid war against Canada. Russia & China will certainly occupy northern Canada if we don’t rapidly expand our national infrastructure.
These threats, I believe, do justify deprioritizing environmental concerns, to a degree.
I think the silver lining is that Carney’s energy expansion in to oil/gas is not mutually exclusive with expanding renewable energy.
I also sold mortgages for a short time and saw the industry change more in 24 months than 24 years. I agree that the least harmful economic solution to housing is to freeze housing prices where they are until cost of living and supply normalize. The alternative of housing prices drop would have a net negative effect. The CMHC in 2014 & 15 made major changes to reduce Canadian borrowing power to avoid a post mortgage crisis of mass defaults like what we saw in the USA.
I think the world is too volatile right now to expect concrete plans that aren’t heavily hedged. Carney is playing the game correctly by holding Canada’s cards close and not telling his bluffs.
As far as the DST. I find it interesting that a tax we never collected is being framed as a loss we deserve compensation for.
I can explain that. While on the one hand I don’t really have a problem with attempting to level the playing field between international tech companies that don’t pay any corporate taxes in Canada and local Canadian companies who do, the big problem is that ultimately the pocket that those taxes will come from is “all of us” (at least those of us who use American online services). The companies weren’t going to take a loss — they were just going to jack up the prices they charge to Canadians.
And because the payment was intended to be retroactive to 2022, we’ve likely already been paying it. Again, big tech companies weren’t going to take a loss, and they’ve known about the payment date for years now, so they’ve been collecting it from us in the form of higher subscription fees and rates. And now that the DST is cancelled — they get to keep it. Oh, and as we’re now all used to paying the higher rates, they get to keep that too.
So that’s where the loss is. IMO the DST wasn’t all that great an idea to start with (taxing those companies sounds great until you realize they’re just jacking their prices up on us to pay for it), but having told companies to plan for it all these years and then yank it back has just put a ton of Canadian dollars into their coffers they don’t have to give back. And they’ll keep charging us the jacked-up rates we’re now used to and keep that as well.
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Housing prices rose because we brought in 1.4 million people in a single year and tripled immigration, blaming capitalism for that seems a bit silly. Trying to implement price controls is great but how do you decide who gets the cheaper house, you’ve done nothing to improve the supply while the demand continues to increase.
You shouldn’t blame the immigrants or the Feds for that cockup. That is ENTIRELY on the Provinces.
We need more people, especially young, working professionals who produce high-value products. We have an aging population that is barely having babies at replacement level, and we need younger taxpayers coming into the system to help keep it propped up. We’re currently top-heavy in terms of demographics (thanks to the Boomer generation being the largest generation in at least the last two centuries), so we need those people otherwise the shit is going to hit the fan WAY worse than a housing crisis.
The Provinces knew the Feds were going to bring in more people. They knew we needed more housing. But many of them listened to the NIMBY’s of this world (or thought they could stick it to the Feds and make them look bad) and so did little to nothing to improve the housing situation.
Housing is nearly 100% a Provincial affair in Canada. You should absolutely be angry about the situation — but the bad guys here aren’t the Federal Government, and it isn’t the immigrants themselves. It’s the Provinces (and through their jurisdiction the Municipalities) who have been ham-stringing housing development.
Oddly enough, the situation will eventually work itself out as more of the Boomer generation die off (or downsize). Although I suspect it’s going to be a long, slow ramp-up with a smaller cliff at the end (unless immigration is raised again to match the death rate).
