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Australian anti-porn group claims responsibility for Steam's new censorship rules in victory against 'porn sick brain rotted pedo gamer fetishists', and things only get weirder from there

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  • 𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠C 𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠

    “Porn” is extremely broad. There’s plenty of perfectly ethical porn around. Most major producers have pretty strong standards these days. It’s not the same industry as it was 10 years ago.

    But in this specific case they went after a porn game, not featuring real people. There’s basically no real harm here. People occasionally argue that porn addiction is a problem, but that’s mostly an addiction problem, which goes for most addictions. The thing addicted too isn’t the problem, it’s the very nature of being addicted that’s causing the issue.

    It’s fine of course to dislike porn, but to effectively ban people from producing and consuming it is an entirely different matter. That does seem like a massive encroachment on individual rights to me.

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    faythofdragons@slrpnk.net
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    #76

    I bet they’re one of those weirdos that wants to outlaw erotic fanfic too.

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      cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de
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      #77

      This group is shooting for very easy targets and they celebrate like they’ve won hard battles. It’s self indulgent but ultimately unimportant, nothing of value was lost here. If they keep it up long enough and choose a target people are actually willing to fight for, things might turn out differently.

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      • R rozodru@lemmy.world

        I’m sure if you dig deep enough into the people involved you’ll crawl out with a couple pedos, a few rapists, and more than likely some dudes who are into some really kinky shit.

        it’s always the case, always. whenever there are groups like this pushing their agenda they’re secretly trying to justify themselves.

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        Fluffy Kitty Cat
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        #78

        Apparently they already got caught defending a pedo staffer

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        • SalS Sal

          People thinking porn addiction causes all the problems in society, must be a day ending in Y.

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          Fluffy Kitty Cat
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          #79

          Porn addiction isn’t even real, Christians made it up to shame people

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            mehblah@lemmy.world
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            Simple fix is to call in suspicion of child porn on their computers. Their statement look a lot like projection to me.

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            • Walk_blesseDW Walk_blesseD

              Surprising absolutely nobody, you’re spot on.

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              HexesofVexes
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              #81

              If you can substantiate that, might be good to pass to someone in journalism… “Visa allies with TERFs” makes an epic headline 😉

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                Gloomy
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                #82

                I had a look at their website.

                They have campaigned against games that normalize incest and sexual abuse. The first campaign, that led to this one, was against a game called No mercy.

                The description, according to their website, is:

                In this game, you’ll either become every woman’s worst nightmare… or rather: the best dick they’ll ever have. Your goal is simple: leave no pussy non-fucked, since that’s the only thing they all want. Never take ‘no’ for an answer.

                Fuck your mom, fuck your auntie, and even fuck your friend’s mom. Why not?

                Take what’s yours and show No Mercy.

                Following that they campaigned against other games promoting sexual violence and incest.

                Following our successful campaign and 70k petition to get rape simulation game No Mercy pulled from gaming platform Steam, we discovered almost 500 other games depicting rape, incest, sexual torture and child abuse.

                How is this a bad thing? Do you lot just hear anti-porn and start foaming around your mouth?

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                • GloomyG Gloomy

                  I had a look at their website.

                  They have campaigned against games that normalize incest and sexual abuse. The first campaign, that led to this one, was against a game called No mercy.

                  The description, according to their website, is:

                  In this game, you’ll either become every woman’s worst nightmare… or rather: the best dick they’ll ever have. Your goal is simple: leave no pussy non-fucked, since that’s the only thing they all want. Never take ‘no’ for an answer.

                  Fuck your mom, fuck your auntie, and even fuck your friend’s mom. Why not?

                  Take what’s yours and show No Mercy.

                  Following that they campaigned against other games promoting sexual violence and incest.

                  Following our successful campaign and 70k petition to get rape simulation game No Mercy pulled from gaming platform Steam, we discovered almost 500 other games depicting rape, incest, sexual torture and child abuse.

                  How is this a bad thing? Do you lot just hear anti-porn and start foaming around your mouth?

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                  erac@lemmings.world
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                  #83

                  Targeting payment processors to force change within a business often leads to overreaction. That’s how we got Onlyfans announcing that it was banning porn entirely. Visa, MasterCard, and PayPal become quite unreasonable when these groups start gaining traction.

                  This same group pushed to get Detroit: Become Human pulled because it has the player controlling a victim of abuse protecting another victim. There is zero nuance to their target choices. If they get pull with payment processors, they can go “this is a child abuse simulator!” and get something like that pulled with less public support behind them.

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                  • S skozzii@lemmy.ca

                    Im personally tired of all this incest shit everywhere so I’m down for it.

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                    ebber@lemmings.world
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                    #84

                    It’s the wrong way to go about it though. Private companies should not dictate legality and morality.

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                    • 𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠C 𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠

                      “Porn” is extremely broad. There’s plenty of perfectly ethical porn around. Most major producers have pretty strong standards these days. It’s not the same industry as it was 10 years ago.

                      But in this specific case they went after a porn game, not featuring real people. There’s basically no real harm here. People occasionally argue that porn addiction is a problem, but that’s mostly an addiction problem, which goes for most addictions. The thing addicted too isn’t the problem, it’s the very nature of being addicted that’s causing the issue.

                      It’s fine of course to dislike porn, but to effectively ban people from producing and consuming it is an entirely different matter. That does seem like a massive encroachment on individual rights to me.

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                      squid64@lemmy.ca
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                      #85

                      What even is ethical porn? And what you consider “ethical” is just your subjective opinion.

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                      • squid64@lemmy.caS squid64@lemmy.ca

                        How is being against porn and the porn industry fascism? There are genuine reason to be against porn and it doesn’t have anything to do with fascism. Actually if you think that saying that porn is bad is a fascist statement you are actually portraying fascism in a good light and making them look like they are the most reasonable people. Also “you heard”, “I heard”, those statements mean nothing unless you can prove it.

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                        ZeroOne
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                        #86

                        TERFs are evidence in itself, the fact that they exist even all these years

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                        • F fleur_@aussie.zone

                          Nothing says antifa like the commercialised exploitation of women

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                          ZeroOne
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                          What exploitation ? When the same group also plays those porn games😂

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                            shaggysnacks@lemmy.myserv.one
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                            Australian Anti-Porn Group Collective Shout Escalates its War for Video Game Censorship

                            Australian Anti-Porn activist group Collective Shout has mounted a pressure campaign against Steam and other platforms for hosting "explicit content".

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                            Collective Shout is a self-described feminist non-partisan organization, but has alleged ties with anti-trans and conservative organizations. The group has developed a reputation as a sort of puritan crusade that targets everything from Detroit: Become Human to Tyler, the Creator.

                            This one quote tells me what kind of people Collective Shout are. First, Collective Shout will go after the low hanging fruit and then will move to LGBT themed games.

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                            • ZeroOneM ZeroOne

                              TERFs are evidence in itself, the fact that they exist even all these years

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                              squid64@lemmy.ca
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                              TERFs are anti-porn?

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                                What exploitation ? When the same group also plays those porn games😂

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                                fleur_@aussie.zone
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                                Arguing that porn doesn’t exploit women because there are women who consume porn is just as dumb as arguing that porn does exploit women because there are women who don’t consume porn.

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                                  sunsofold@lemmings.world
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                                  It’d be kind of funny if some rep from steam just came out and said, ‘Wait, the Aussies wanted this? Put it all back! Add on a few more new ones even. This won’t stand.’

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                                  • F fleur_@aussie.zone

                                    I think this was a ratings issue. I think you can make video games with real life drugs in them but if you don’t want an +18 rating you’ll have to compromise. I think Bethesda got told they could only sell the game to adults and so they changed the names to make more money. I mean I was playing GTA selling real drugs and playing fallout 4 and doping on fake drugs on the same PS4 at 15, I just couldn’t walk into eb’s and buy a copy of GTA without my dad there lol.

                                    I’m all for creative freedoms but when it comes to selling games to kids that show real life drugs as giving sweet buffs, maybe a little subtlety is warranted.

                                    Anyway obligatory ragebait dum American can’t comprehend nuance comment

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                                    sys110x@feddit.nl
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                                    Kinda correct, it was a ratings issue. The problem was that we didn’t have an 18+ rating for video games - if your game was deemed 18+ then you couldn’t sell it here. Sex, depictions of drug use, and a couple of other things I can’t remember right now are reasons for an instant 18+ rating.

                                    Bethesda got told they couldn’t sell it to anyone in Australia, so they compromised to drugs that didn’t actually exist.

                                    Left 4 Dead had something similar with the gore; if I remember correctly, L4D rating submission referred to the zombies as “monsters” (or something) and passed while L4D2 referred to the zombies as “infected people”… because they were now people, our ratings board shit the bed protected the children and gave it 18+ until they removed the bodies and gore. It was patched back in by Valve when we got an 18+ rating.

                                    South Park: The Stick of Truth has/had some good censored scenes about this, graphically describing Randy being probed by an alien while the graphic of a koala sits in the background. These were patched out too I think (or I downloaded a mod).

                                    We still have people like these lobbying against porn on Steam, but the overall situation got a lot better when we got an 18+ rating.

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                                      Kinda correct, it was a ratings issue. The problem was that we didn’t have an 18+ rating for video games - if your game was deemed 18+ then you couldn’t sell it here. Sex, depictions of drug use, and a couple of other things I can’t remember right now are reasons for an instant 18+ rating.

                                      Bethesda got told they couldn’t sell it to anyone in Australia, so they compromised to drugs that didn’t actually exist.

                                      Left 4 Dead had something similar with the gore; if I remember correctly, L4D rating submission referred to the zombies as “monsters” (or something) and passed while L4D2 referred to the zombies as “infected people”… because they were now people, our ratings board shit the bed protected the children and gave it 18+ until they removed the bodies and gore. It was patched back in by Valve when we got an 18+ rating.

                                      South Park: The Stick of Truth has/had some good censored scenes about this, graphically describing Randy being probed by an alien while the graphic of a koala sits in the background. These were patched out too I think (or I downloaded a mod).

                                      We still have people like these lobbying against porn on Steam, but the overall situation got a lot better when we got an 18+ rating.

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                                      fleur_@aussie.zone
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                                      The first Australian +18 video game was released in January 2013, GTA 5 came out in December 2013 and fallout 4 was released in November… 2015

                                      From what I can tell from the timeline of events it absolutely was a move by Bethesda to market the game to kids.

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                                      • R ryannathans@aussie.zone

                                        As an Australian this is accurate, remember it is illegal here to share nude photos or porn if the woman has small breasts! Because protect the children

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                                        fleur_@aussie.zone
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                                        Has anyone been convicted of this?

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                                        • E erac@lemmings.world

                                          Targeting payment processors to force change within a business often leads to overreaction. That’s how we got Onlyfans announcing that it was banning porn entirely. Visa, MasterCard, and PayPal become quite unreasonable when these groups start gaining traction.

                                          This same group pushed to get Detroit: Become Human pulled because it has the player controlling a victim of abuse protecting another victim. There is zero nuance to their target choices. If they get pull with payment processors, they can go “this is a child abuse simulator!” and get something like that pulled with less public support behind them.

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                                          Gloomy
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                                          There is zero nuance to their target choices.

                                          Zero nuance is what this thread is filled with.

                                          One does not need to agree with everything they do or did. In fact, i don’t. But getting games that are clearly catering to rapist fantasies pulled off steam, is something i see as very positive.

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