Australian anti-porn group claims responsibility for Steam's new censorship rules in victory against 'porn sick brain rotted pedo gamer fetishists', and things only get weirder from there
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Im personally tired of all this incest shit everywhere so I’m down for it.
It’s the wrong way to go about it though. Private companies should not dictate legality and morality.
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“Porn” is extremely broad. There’s plenty of perfectly ethical porn around. Most major producers have pretty strong standards these days. It’s not the same industry as it was 10 years ago.
But in this specific case they went after a porn game, not featuring real people. There’s basically no real harm here. People occasionally argue that porn addiction is a problem, but that’s mostly an addiction problem, which goes for most addictions. The thing addicted too isn’t the problem, it’s the very nature of being addicted that’s causing the issue.
It’s fine of course to dislike porn, but to effectively ban people from producing and consuming it is an entirely different matter. That does seem like a massive encroachment on individual rights to me.
What even is ethical porn? And what you consider “ethical” is just your subjective opinion.
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How is being against porn and the porn industry fascism? There are genuine reason to be against porn and it doesn’t have anything to do with fascism. Actually if you think that saying that porn is bad is a fascist statement you are actually portraying fascism in a good light and making them look like they are the most reasonable people. Also “you heard”, “I heard”, those statements mean nothing unless you can prove it.
TERFs are evidence in itself, the fact that they exist even all these years
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Nothing says antifa like the commercialised exploitation of women
What exploitation ? When the same group also plays those porn games
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Australian Anti-Porn Group Collective Shout Escalates its War for Video Game Censorship
Australian Anti-Porn activist group Collective Shout has mounted a pressure campaign against Steam and other platforms for hosting "explicit content".
GamesHub (www.gameshub.com)
Collective Shout is a self-described feminist non-partisan organization, but has alleged ties with anti-trans and conservative organizations. The group has developed a reputation as a sort of puritan crusade that targets everything from Detroit: Become Human to Tyler, the Creator.
This one quote tells me what kind of people Collective Shout are. First, Collective Shout will go after the low hanging fruit and then will move to LGBT themed games.
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TERFs are anti-porn?
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Arguing that porn doesn’t exploit women because there are women who consume porn is just as dumb as arguing that porn does exploit women because there are women who don’t consume porn.
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It’d be kind of funny if some rep from steam just came out and said, ‘Wait, the Aussies wanted this? Put it all back! Add on a few more new ones even. This won’t stand.’
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I think this was a ratings issue. I think you can make video games with real life drugs in them but if you don’t want an +18 rating you’ll have to compromise. I think Bethesda got told they could only sell the game to adults and so they changed the names to make more money. I mean I was playing GTA selling real drugs and playing fallout 4 and doping on fake drugs on the same PS4 at 15, I just couldn’t walk into eb’s and buy a copy of GTA without my dad there lol.
I’m all for creative freedoms but when it comes to selling games to kids that show real life drugs as giving sweet buffs, maybe a little subtlety is warranted.
Anyway obligatory ragebait dum American can’t comprehend nuance comment
Kinda correct, it was a ratings issue. The problem was that we didn’t have an 18+ rating for video games - if your game was deemed 18+ then you couldn’t sell it here. Sex, depictions of drug use, and a couple of other things I can’t remember right now are reasons for an instant 18+ rating.
Bethesda got told they couldn’t sell it to anyone in Australia, so they compromised to drugs that didn’t actually exist.
Left 4 Dead had something similar with the gore; if I remember correctly, L4D rating submission referred to the zombies as “monsters” (or something) and passed while L4D2 referred to the zombies as “infected people”… because they were now people, our ratings board
shit the bedprotected the children and gave it 18+ until they removed the bodies and gore. It was patched back in by Valve when we got an 18+ rating.South Park: The Stick of Truth has/had some good censored scenes about this, graphically describing Randy being probed by an alien while the graphic of a koala sits in the background. These were patched out too I think (or I downloaded a mod).
We still have people like these lobbying against porn on Steam, but the overall situation got a lot better when we got an 18+ rating.
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Kinda correct, it was a ratings issue. The problem was that we didn’t have an 18+ rating for video games - if your game was deemed 18+ then you couldn’t sell it here. Sex, depictions of drug use, and a couple of other things I can’t remember right now are reasons for an instant 18+ rating.
Bethesda got told they couldn’t sell it to anyone in Australia, so they compromised to drugs that didn’t actually exist.
Left 4 Dead had something similar with the gore; if I remember correctly, L4D rating submission referred to the zombies as “monsters” (or something) and passed while L4D2 referred to the zombies as “infected people”… because they were now people, our ratings board
shit the bedprotected the children and gave it 18+ until they removed the bodies and gore. It was patched back in by Valve when we got an 18+ rating.South Park: The Stick of Truth has/had some good censored scenes about this, graphically describing Randy being probed by an alien while the graphic of a koala sits in the background. These were patched out too I think (or I downloaded a mod).
We still have people like these lobbying against porn on Steam, but the overall situation got a lot better when we got an 18+ rating.
The first Australian +18 video game was released in January 2013, GTA 5 came out in December 2013 and fallout 4 was released in November… 2015
From what I can tell from the timeline of events it absolutely was a move by Bethesda to market the game to kids.
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As an Australian this is accurate, remember it is illegal here to share nude photos or porn if the woman has small breasts! Because protect the children
Has anyone been convicted of this?
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Targeting payment processors to force change within a business often leads to overreaction. That’s how we got Onlyfans announcing that it was banning porn entirely. Visa, MasterCard, and PayPal become quite unreasonable when these groups start gaining traction.
This same group pushed to get Detroit: Become Human pulled because it has the player controlling a victim of abuse protecting another victim. There is zero nuance to their target choices. If they get pull with payment processors, they can go “this is a child abuse simulator!” and get something like that pulled with less public support behind them.
There is zero nuance to their target choices.
Zero nuance is what this thread is filled with.
One does not need to agree with everything they do or did. In fact, i don’t. But getting games that are clearly catering to rapist fantasies pulled off steam, is something i see as very positive.
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The first Australian +18 video game was released in January 2013, GTA 5 came out in December 2013 and fallout 4 was released in November… 2015
From what I can tell from the timeline of events it absolutely was a move by Bethesda to market the game to kids.
The name changes go back to Fallout 3 (at least, I can’t recall if FO1 & FO2 had the same drama).
By the time of Fallout 4, names like Med-X (morphine), Rad-Away (iodine), Brawno (amphetamine? I can’t remember) were well and truly bedded in, and suited the aesthetic. Why change it at that point? They’ve created names that suit the aesthetic better than the actual drug names.
I was in my mid/late 20s when this was all going down. I grey imported the MK reboot so I could play, had a copy of Manhunt, and others. The Fallout drug names were a result of the lack of 18+ rating and trying to comply with MA15.
Fallout 3 can’t get a rating in Australia
Australia's OLFC ratings board has refused to give Fallout 3 a rating, meaning …
Ars Technica (arstechnica.com)
Why Australian classification law is so tough on video games
Australian classification law is tough on video games, with harsh restrictions on content. At SXSW Sydney 2024, an expert panel discussed why.
GamesHub (www.gameshub.com)
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“Porn” is extremely broad. There’s plenty of perfectly ethical porn around. Most major producers have pretty strong standards these days. It’s not the same industry as it was 10 years ago.
But in this specific case they went after a porn game, not featuring real people. There’s basically no real harm here. People occasionally argue that porn addiction is a problem, but that’s mostly an addiction problem, which goes for most addictions. The thing addicted too isn’t the problem, it’s the very nature of being addicted that’s causing the issue.
It’s fine of course to dislike porn, but to effectively ban people from producing and consuming it is an entirely different matter. That does seem like a massive encroachment on individual rights to me.
But in this specific case they went after a porn game, not featuring real people. There’s basically no real harm here.
Just to make sure, this is the game you are defending and think there is no harm to people being exposed or reinforcing this view of women:
In this game, you’ll either become every woman’s worst nightmare… or rather: the best dick they’ll ever have. Your goal is simple: leave no pussy non-fucked, since that’s the only thing they all want. Never take ‘no’ for an answer.
Fuck your mom, fuck your auntie, and even fuck your friend’s mom. Why not?
Take what’s yours and show No Mercy.
Could you please be realy clear: You don’t see any problem with this?
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The name changes go back to Fallout 3 (at least, I can’t recall if FO1 & FO2 had the same drama).
By the time of Fallout 4, names like Med-X (morphine), Rad-Away (iodine), Brawno (amphetamine? I can’t remember) were well and truly bedded in, and suited the aesthetic. Why change it at that point? They’ve created names that suit the aesthetic better than the actual drug names.
I was in my mid/late 20s when this was all going down. I grey imported the MK reboot so I could play, had a copy of Manhunt, and others. The Fallout drug names were a result of the lack of 18+ rating and trying to comply with MA15.
Fallout 3 can’t get a rating in Australia
Australia's OLFC ratings board has refused to give Fallout 3 a rating, meaning …
Ars Technica (arstechnica.com)
Why Australian classification law is so tough on video games
Australian classification law is tough on video games, with harsh restrictions on content. At SXSW Sydney 2024, an expert panel discussed why.
GamesHub (www.gameshub.com)
Ah yeah true dat
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I study at a quite left university. Several of my lectures are about or at least cover some feminist theories. There are a lot of outspoken feminist people here, as well as quite a few queer folk. I have yet to meet a single homophobic or terf feminist.
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There is zero nuance to their target choices.
Zero nuance is what this thread is filled with.
One does not need to agree with everything they do or did. In fact, i don’t. But getting games that are clearly catering to rapist fantasies pulled off steam, is something i see as very positive.
not sure anyone thinks the problem here is that these particular games are getting taken down, the larger context and efforts of this group are concerning as it etablishes precedent for them to take the next step in their anti-trans and anti-gay agenda …
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Porn addiction isn’t even real, Christians made it up to shame people
This is not correct.
Contrary to the earlier notion that addiction is predominantly a substance dependency, research now suggests that any source or experience capable of stimulating an individual has addictive potential. This has led to a paradigm shift in the psychiatric understanding of behavioural addictions. These can refer to a range of behaviors such as gambling, video gaming, and sexual practices. Hypersexual behavior and pornography addiction come to the fore when the behavior becomes intensive, out of the individual’s control, and persists in that pattern despite harmful consequences and risk of harm to one’s emotional and/or physical health.
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This is we can’t have nice things.
Nice things like games involving incest and rape?
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“Australian anti-porn group has too much power.”
Always has.
Australia's 'small breast' ban
Australia has vowed to fight child exploitation — but is stamping out images of "small-breasted" women really the right way to do it?
The Week (theweek.com)
