Australian anti-porn group claims responsibility for Steam's new censorship rules in victory against 'porn sick brain rotted pedo gamer fetishists', and things only get weirder from there
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There is zero nuance to their target choices.
Zero nuance is what this thread is filled with.
One does not need to agree with everything they do or did. In fact, i don’t. But getting games that are clearly catering to rapist fantasies pulled off steam, is something i see as very positive.
not sure anyone thinks the problem here is that these particular games are getting taken down, the larger context and efforts of this group are concerning as it etablishes precedent for them to take the next step in their anti-trans and anti-gay agenda …
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Porn addiction isn’t even real, Christians made it up to shame people
This is not correct.
Contrary to the earlier notion that addiction is predominantly a substance dependency, research now suggests that any source or experience capable of stimulating an individual has addictive potential. This has led to a paradigm shift in the psychiatric understanding of behavioural addictions. These can refer to a range of behaviors such as gambling, video gaming, and sexual practices. Hypersexual behavior and pornography addiction come to the fore when the behavior becomes intensive, out of the individual’s control, and persists in that pattern despite harmful consequences and risk of harm to one’s emotional and/or physical health.
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This is we can’t have nice things.
Nice things like games involving incest and rape?
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“Australian anti-porn group has too much power.”
Always has.
Australia's 'small breast' ban
Australia has vowed to fight child exploitation — but is stamping out images of "small-breasted" women really the right way to do it?
The Week (theweek.com)
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I had a look at their website.
They have campaigned against games that normalize incest and sexual abuse. The first campaign, that led to this one, was against a game called No mercy.
The description, according to their website, is:
In this game, you’ll either become every woman’s worst nightmare… or rather: the best dick they’ll ever have. Your goal is simple: leave no pussy non-fucked, since that’s the only thing they all want. Never take ‘no’ for an answer.
Fuck your mom, fuck your auntie, and even fuck your friend’s mom. Why not?
Take what’s yours and show No Mercy.
Following that they campaigned against other games promoting sexual violence and incest.
Following our successful campaign and 70k petition to get rape simulation game No Mercy pulled from gaming platform Steam, we discovered almost 500 other games depicting rape, incest, sexual torture and child abuse.
How is this a bad thing? Do you lot just hear anti-porn and start foaming around your mouth?
Do you have trouble differentiating between fiction and reality?
Can I demand racing games be banned because they promote CO2 emissions?
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Alright, time to research and rat these idiots out. The fact that they tried to ban Detroit: Become Human is enough for me to know that they’re not gamers at all and are just cookers.
I’m trying to follow the money and can’t find much but there are very strong ties to the Christian/Baptist community, which means that there is an above 0% chance that Advance Australia has or is providing funding.
Their partners and partner’s partners are anti-sex (such as CATWA who believe that all prostitution is not a job but is a form of sex trafficking and appears to be against the sex industry), anti-abortion, and all board members and their associated partners are very painfully white.
There’s also an association with the NCJWA, whose president appears to be pro Zionist and has lauded Jillian Segal as a voice of moral clarity (anti-semetic envoy for government pushing to reduce protest rights, husband made a $50k donation to Advance Australia).
Hilariously, one of their partners is called ‘Campaign Against Sex Robots’.
Anyway, in summary, this appears to be a very well funded right wing puritan religious group whose only games experiences are in the political realm rather than PC.
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So many of them end up doing this kind of thing because they need money and stuff and never wanted to do it in the first place.
You just described most people doing most jobs.
Pretty sure most people wouldn’t work in whatever job they have if they didn’t need the money.
Likewise, there’s many who likely prefer doing porn over working in fast food or retail. After all, in one you get demeaned, mistreated, even abused, and in the other you get to orgasm for money.
Also if you really think women undressing and doing porn for the pleasure of the men
Way to just say that women and LGBT+ don’t like porn.
Says a lot more about you than anything else you’ve said, bigot.
PS: when the correlation is extremely strong and repeatable, it usually implies causation. There’s already research that proves that link isn’t just correlation. Not that it seems you’re actually interested in data or good faith discussion.
You just described most people doing most jobs.
If your job is honestly comparable to that of a reluctant sex worker, you really need to switch jobs.
Pretty sure most people wouldn’t work in whatever job they have if they didn’t need the money.
Likewise, there’s many who likely prefer doing porn over working in fast food or retail. After all, in one you get demeaned, mistreated, even abused, and in the other you get to orgasm for money.
This is a completly wrong conceptualization. Porn “stars” often are often locked into filming increasingly extreme and often increasingly violent content. Many are left back traumatized for life.
See, for example, this study.
This article challenges the consumer-centric view of pornography, which overlooks the exploitation and abuse of individuals documented in its production. The lack of conceptual clarity surrounding the nature of pornography obscures these abuses, leading to significant consequences for those affecte
Way to just say that women and LGBT+ don’t like porn.
About 70% of consumers are men.
when the correlation is extremely strong and repeatable, it usually implies causation. There’s already research that proves that link isn’t just correlation. Not that it seems you’re actually interested in data or good faith discussion.
Op might or might not be, but i am. Please feel free to back up your claim with data.
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Do you have trouble differentiating between fiction and reality?
Can I demand racing games be banned because they promote CO2 emissions?
No. Do you think fiction about rapeing women is’nt a problem? Have you considered the idea that exposing oneself to said fiction could reinforce a violent and objectifying view of womem? Or normalize rape and sexual violence?
Can I demand racing games be banned because they promote CO2 emissions?
No, and thankfully this is a complete strawman. If one wanted to make that analogy, it might point out how racing games might normalize speeding.
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not sure anyone thinks the problem here is that these particular games are getting taken down, the larger context and efforts of this group are concerning as it etablishes precedent for them to take the next step in their anti-trans and anti-gay agenda …
Downthread there are some people arguing pro rape and incest games.
I am not defending the group. When (likely not even if) they go against LGBTQI+ games i will happily speak up against that. But in this case they are not wrong, and i am okay with pointing that out. Look at the level of hate in this thread. For banning incest and rape games…
When they move to anti trans stuff and we give them flak, they will rightfully say “Oh, it’s those gamers again. Last time they defended rape games. No need to listen to them.”
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Australian Anti-Porn Group Collective Shout Escalates its War for Video Game Censorship
Australian Anti-Porn activist group Collective Shout has mounted a pressure campaign against Steam and other platforms for hosting "explicit content".
GamesHub (www.gameshub.com)
Collective Shout is a self-described feminist non-partisan organization, but has alleged ties with anti-trans and conservative organizations. The group has developed a reputation as a sort of puritan crusade that targets everything from Detroit: Become Human to Tyler, the Creator.
This one quote tells me what kind of people Collective Shout are. First, Collective Shout will go after the low hanging fruit and then will move to LGBT themed games.
It’s a hate group and Valve is caving to them.
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No. Do you think fiction about rapeing women is’nt a problem? Have you considered the idea that exposing oneself to said fiction could reinforce a violent and objectifying view of womem? Or normalize rape and sexual violence?
Can I demand racing games be banned because they promote CO2 emissions?
No, and thankfully this is a complete strawman. If one wanted to make that analogy, it might point out how racing games might normalize speeding.
No. I don’t think that. In fact, research says access to porn reduces sex violence.
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This is not correct.
Contrary to the earlier notion that addiction is predominantly a substance dependency, research now suggests that any source or experience capable of stimulating an individual has addictive potential. This has led to a paradigm shift in the psychiatric understanding of behavioural addictions. These can refer to a range of behaviors such as gambling, video gaming, and sexual practices. Hypersexual behavior and pornography addiction come to the fore when the behavior becomes intensive, out of the individual’s control, and persists in that pattern despite harmful consequences and risk of harm to one’s emotional and/or physical health.
Pron addiction is just Christian men who watch an average amount feeling guilty about it because their religion groomed them to feel guilty to control them.
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The US is filled with gun crazy bigoted nut bags who love to go around bathrooms for genital inspections while crying at the sight of any rainbow flag.
See how unhelpful it is to make shitty generalisations?
Isn’t that the case though?
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Downthread there are some people arguing pro rape and incest games.
I am not defending the group. When (likely not even if) they go against LGBTQI+ games i will happily speak up against that. But in this case they are not wrong, and i am okay with pointing that out. Look at the level of hate in this thread. For banning incest and rape games…
When they move to anti trans stuff and we give them flak, they will rightfully say “Oh, it’s those gamers again. Last time they defended rape games. No need to listen to them.”
huh, scrolling through the comments I mostly see comments calling them out for being TERFs, I’m not really seeing any defense of the games themselves.
Excuse me if I’m a bit sensitive, though - I’m both gay and trans, so this group in particular is dangerous to me and I don’t really care if the broken clock is right twice a day, I think it’s best to call the clock broken.
We don’t have any argument here, though - we agree that vile games are vile and it’s good they’re gone.
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I study at a quite left university. Several of my lectures are about or at least cover some feminist theories. There are a lot of outspoken feminist people here, as well as quite a few queer folk. I have yet to meet a single homophobic or terf feminist.
Oh boy, you’ll learn
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No. I don’t think that. In fact, research says access to porn reduces sex violence.
i agree with that research, and i agree with where you’re coming from but i’m not sure you can apply the same research to violence. there’s an argument that it gives people an outlet, but afaik also people that commit these crimes often escalate. making it easier for them to try out their fantasy could easily mean they escalate faster
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i agree with that research, and i agree with where you’re coming from but i’m not sure you can apply the same research to violence. there’s an argument that it gives people an outlet, but afaik also people that commit these crimes often escalate. making it easier for them to try out their fantasy could easily mean they escalate faster
Citation?
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Pron addiction is just Christian men who watch an average amount feeling guilty about it because their religion groomed them to feel guilty to control them.
You are entitled to that opinion, but it is in defiance to what science says about the topic.
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Citation?
Escalation in the Seriousness of Crime (Chapter 13) - The Criminal Career
The Criminal Career - November 2002
Cambridge Core (www.cambridge.org)
this suggests that skill level plays a part in escalation. i’d argue that refining the “fantasy” is absolutely part of that (the same is true of the psychology of all fetishes: you start with something you’re not sure you’re into, and as you refine what it is about it you like you can dive deeper)
this paper suggests that both thrill seeking and self control have different impacts on people’s desire to commit crime
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No. I don’t think that. In fact, research says access to porn reduces sex violence.
And again, a stawman.
We are talking about rape porn (games) normalizing sexual violence.
This article is not talking about rape porn. By the way, it is an article from 2016 who uses studies from 2011 and younger. Here is a Meta analysis of the timeframe, suggesting that many stdies suffert from a metholodical weekness.
The question, if violent porn causes sexual violence is debated, but as of now simply not enoth good studys exist to confirm or denie such a link.
This study, for example, hints towards it. It is also a good example for methodological muddiness though:
Data was collected from 247 college men who completed self-report surveys at baseline, 4-month, and 7-month intervals. Higher gender inequitable attitudes, greater problems with alcohol use, and lower levels of responsibility assigned to men for rape mediated the relation between exposure to violent pornography at baseline and endorsement of sexually coercive behavior at the 7-month. Findings highlight the need to address pornography literacy in sexual assault prevention programs for college men.
I can only repeat: there is evidence towards violent porn causing violent behauvior, but it is weak and more studys are needed. Untilh then both of our standpoints are just opinions. Either of us might be right. Personaly, i wouldn’t risk it.
