Australian anti-porn group claims responsibility for Steam's new censorship rules in victory against 'porn sick brain rotted pedo gamer fetishists', and things only get weirder from there
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Kinda correct, it was a ratings issue. The problem was that we didn’t have an 18+ rating for video games - if your game was deemed 18+ then you couldn’t sell it here. Sex, depictions of drug use, and a couple of other things I can’t remember right now are reasons for an instant 18+ rating.
Bethesda got told they couldn’t sell it to anyone in Australia, so they compromised to drugs that didn’t actually exist.
Left 4 Dead had something similar with the gore; if I remember correctly, L4D rating submission referred to the zombies as “monsters” (or something) and passed while L4D2 referred to the zombies as “infected people”… because they were now people, our ratings board
shit the bedprotected the children and gave it 18+ until they removed the bodies and gore. It was patched back in by Valve when we got an 18+ rating.South Park: The Stick of Truth has/had some good censored scenes about this, graphically describing Randy being probed by an alien while the graphic of a koala sits in the background. These were patched out too I think (or I downloaded a mod).
We still have people like these lobbying against porn on Steam, but the overall situation got a lot better when we got an 18+ rating.
The first Australian +18 video game was released in January 2013, GTA 5 came out in December 2013 and fallout 4 was released in November… 2015
From what I can tell from the timeline of events it absolutely was a move by Bethesda to market the game to kids.
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As an Australian this is accurate, remember it is illegal here to share nude photos or porn if the woman has small breasts! Because protect the children
Has anyone been convicted of this?
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Targeting payment processors to force change within a business often leads to overreaction. That’s how we got Onlyfans announcing that it was banning porn entirely. Visa, MasterCard, and PayPal become quite unreasonable when these groups start gaining traction.
This same group pushed to get Detroit: Become Human pulled because it has the player controlling a victim of abuse protecting another victim. There is zero nuance to their target choices. If they get pull with payment processors, they can go “this is a child abuse simulator!” and get something like that pulled with less public support behind them.
There is zero nuance to their target choices.
Zero nuance is what this thread is filled with.
One does not need to agree with everything they do or did. In fact, i don’t. But getting games that are clearly catering to rapist fantasies pulled off steam, is something i see as very positive.
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The first Australian +18 video game was released in January 2013, GTA 5 came out in December 2013 and fallout 4 was released in November… 2015
From what I can tell from the timeline of events it absolutely was a move by Bethesda to market the game to kids.
The name changes go back to Fallout 3 (at least, I can’t recall if FO1 & FO2 had the same drama).
By the time of Fallout 4, names like Med-X (morphine), Rad-Away (iodine), Brawno (amphetamine? I can’t remember) were well and truly bedded in, and suited the aesthetic. Why change it at that point? They’ve created names that suit the aesthetic better than the actual drug names.
I was in my mid/late 20s when this was all going down. I grey imported the MK reboot so I could play, had a copy of Manhunt, and others. The Fallout drug names were a result of the lack of 18+ rating and trying to comply with MA15.
Fallout 3 can’t get a rating in Australia
Australia's OLFC ratings board has refused to give Fallout 3 a rating, meaning …
Ars Technica (arstechnica.com)
Why Australian classification law is so tough on video games
Australian classification law is tough on video games, with harsh restrictions on content. At SXSW Sydney 2024, an expert panel discussed why.
GamesHub (www.gameshub.com)
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“Porn” is extremely broad. There’s plenty of perfectly ethical porn around. Most major producers have pretty strong standards these days. It’s not the same industry as it was 10 years ago.
But in this specific case they went after a porn game, not featuring real people. There’s basically no real harm here. People occasionally argue that porn addiction is a problem, but that’s mostly an addiction problem, which goes for most addictions. The thing addicted too isn’t the problem, it’s the very nature of being addicted that’s causing the issue.
It’s fine of course to dislike porn, but to effectively ban people from producing and consuming it is an entirely different matter. That does seem like a massive encroachment on individual rights to me.
But in this specific case they went after a porn game, not featuring real people. There’s basically no real harm here.
Just to make sure, this is the game you are defending and think there is no harm to people being exposed or reinforcing this view of women:
In this game, you’ll either become every woman’s worst nightmare… or rather: the best dick they’ll ever have. Your goal is simple: leave no pussy non-fucked, since that’s the only thing they all want. Never take ‘no’ for an answer.
Fuck your mom, fuck your auntie, and even fuck your friend’s mom. Why not?
Take what’s yours and show No Mercy.
Could you please be realy clear: You don’t see any problem with this?
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The name changes go back to Fallout 3 (at least, I can’t recall if FO1 & FO2 had the same drama).
By the time of Fallout 4, names like Med-X (morphine), Rad-Away (iodine), Brawno (amphetamine? I can’t remember) were well and truly bedded in, and suited the aesthetic. Why change it at that point? They’ve created names that suit the aesthetic better than the actual drug names.
I was in my mid/late 20s when this was all going down. I grey imported the MK reboot so I could play, had a copy of Manhunt, and others. The Fallout drug names were a result of the lack of 18+ rating and trying to comply with MA15.
Fallout 3 can’t get a rating in Australia
Australia's OLFC ratings board has refused to give Fallout 3 a rating, meaning …
Ars Technica (arstechnica.com)
Why Australian classification law is so tough on video games
Australian classification law is tough on video games, with harsh restrictions on content. At SXSW Sydney 2024, an expert panel discussed why.
GamesHub (www.gameshub.com)
Ah yeah true dat
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I study at a quite left university. Several of my lectures are about or at least cover some feminist theories. There are a lot of outspoken feminist people here, as well as quite a few queer folk. I have yet to meet a single homophobic or terf feminist.
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There is zero nuance to their target choices.
Zero nuance is what this thread is filled with.
One does not need to agree with everything they do or did. In fact, i don’t. But getting games that are clearly catering to rapist fantasies pulled off steam, is something i see as very positive.
not sure anyone thinks the problem here is that these particular games are getting taken down, the larger context and efforts of this group are concerning as it etablishes precedent for them to take the next step in their anti-trans and anti-gay agenda …
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Porn addiction isn’t even real, Christians made it up to shame people
This is not correct.
Contrary to the earlier notion that addiction is predominantly a substance dependency, research now suggests that any source or experience capable of stimulating an individual has addictive potential. This has led to a paradigm shift in the psychiatric understanding of behavioural addictions. These can refer to a range of behaviors such as gambling, video gaming, and sexual practices. Hypersexual behavior and pornography addiction come to the fore when the behavior becomes intensive, out of the individual’s control, and persists in that pattern despite harmful consequences and risk of harm to one’s emotional and/or physical health.
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This is we can’t have nice things.
Nice things like games involving incest and rape?
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“Australian anti-porn group has too much power.”
Always has.
Australia's 'small breast' ban
Australia has vowed to fight child exploitation — but is stamping out images of "small-breasted" women really the right way to do it?
The Week (theweek.com)
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I had a look at their website.
They have campaigned against games that normalize incest and sexual abuse. The first campaign, that led to this one, was against a game called No mercy.
The description, according to their website, is:
In this game, you’ll either become every woman’s worst nightmare… or rather: the best dick they’ll ever have. Your goal is simple: leave no pussy non-fucked, since that’s the only thing they all want. Never take ‘no’ for an answer.
Fuck your mom, fuck your auntie, and even fuck your friend’s mom. Why not?
Take what’s yours and show No Mercy.
Following that they campaigned against other games promoting sexual violence and incest.
Following our successful campaign and 70k petition to get rape simulation game No Mercy pulled from gaming platform Steam, we discovered almost 500 other games depicting rape, incest, sexual torture and child abuse.
How is this a bad thing? Do you lot just hear anti-porn and start foaming around your mouth?
Do you have trouble differentiating between fiction and reality?
Can I demand racing games be banned because they promote CO2 emissions?
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Alright, time to research and rat these idiots out. The fact that they tried to ban Detroit: Become Human is enough for me to know that they’re not gamers at all and are just cookers.
I’m trying to follow the money and can’t find much but there are very strong ties to the Christian/Baptist community, which means that there is an above 0% chance that Advance Australia has or is providing funding.
Their partners and partner’s partners are anti-sex (such as CATWA who believe that all prostitution is not a job but is a form of sex trafficking and appears to be against the sex industry), anti-abortion, and all board members and their associated partners are very painfully white.
There’s also an association with the NCJWA, whose president appears to be pro Zionist and has lauded Jillian Segal as a voice of moral clarity (anti-semetic envoy for government pushing to reduce protest rights, husband made a $50k donation to Advance Australia).
Hilariously, one of their partners is called ‘Campaign Against Sex Robots’.
Anyway, in summary, this appears to be a very well funded right wing puritan religious group whose only games experiences are in the political realm rather than PC.
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So many of them end up doing this kind of thing because they need money and stuff and never wanted to do it in the first place.
You just described most people doing most jobs.
Pretty sure most people wouldn’t work in whatever job they have if they didn’t need the money.
Likewise, there’s many who likely prefer doing porn over working in fast food or retail. After all, in one you get demeaned, mistreated, even abused, and in the other you get to orgasm for money.
Also if you really think women undressing and doing porn for the pleasure of the men
Way to just say that women and LGBT+ don’t like porn.
Says a lot more about you than anything else you’ve said, bigot.
PS: when the correlation is extremely strong and repeatable, it usually implies causation. There’s already research that proves that link isn’t just correlation. Not that it seems you’re actually interested in data or good faith discussion.
You just described most people doing most jobs.
If your job is honestly comparable to that of a reluctant sex worker, you really need to switch jobs.
Pretty sure most people wouldn’t work in whatever job they have if they didn’t need the money.
Likewise, there’s many who likely prefer doing porn over working in fast food or retail. After all, in one you get demeaned, mistreated, even abused, and in the other you get to orgasm for money.
This is a completly wrong conceptualization. Porn “stars” often are often locked into filming increasingly extreme and often increasingly violent content. Many are left back traumatized for life.
See, for example, this study.
This article challenges the consumer-centric view of pornography, which overlooks the exploitation and abuse of individuals documented in its production. The lack of conceptual clarity surrounding the nature of pornography obscures these abuses, leading to significant consequences for those affecte
Way to just say that women and LGBT+ don’t like porn.
About 70% of consumers are men.
when the correlation is extremely strong and repeatable, it usually implies causation. There’s already research that proves that link isn’t just correlation. Not that it seems you’re actually interested in data or good faith discussion.
Op might or might not be, but i am. Please feel free to back up your claim with data.
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Do you have trouble differentiating between fiction and reality?
Can I demand racing games be banned because they promote CO2 emissions?
No. Do you think fiction about rapeing women is’nt a problem? Have you considered the idea that exposing oneself to said fiction could reinforce a violent and objectifying view of womem? Or normalize rape and sexual violence?
Can I demand racing games be banned because they promote CO2 emissions?
No, and thankfully this is a complete strawman. If one wanted to make that analogy, it might point out how racing games might normalize speeding.
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not sure anyone thinks the problem here is that these particular games are getting taken down, the larger context and efforts of this group are concerning as it etablishes precedent for them to take the next step in their anti-trans and anti-gay agenda …
Downthread there are some people arguing pro rape and incest games.
I am not defending the group. When (likely not even if) they go against LGBTQI+ games i will happily speak up against that. But in this case they are not wrong, and i am okay with pointing that out. Look at the level of hate in this thread. For banning incest and rape games…
When they move to anti trans stuff and we give them flak, they will rightfully say “Oh, it’s those gamers again. Last time they defended rape games. No need to listen to them.”
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Australian Anti-Porn Group Collective Shout Escalates its War for Video Game Censorship
Australian Anti-Porn activist group Collective Shout has mounted a pressure campaign against Steam and other platforms for hosting "explicit content".
GamesHub (www.gameshub.com)
Collective Shout is a self-described feminist non-partisan organization, but has alleged ties with anti-trans and conservative organizations. The group has developed a reputation as a sort of puritan crusade that targets everything from Detroit: Become Human to Tyler, the Creator.
This one quote tells me what kind of people Collective Shout are. First, Collective Shout will go after the low hanging fruit and then will move to LGBT themed games.
It’s a hate group and Valve is caving to them.
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No. Do you think fiction about rapeing women is’nt a problem? Have you considered the idea that exposing oneself to said fiction could reinforce a violent and objectifying view of womem? Or normalize rape and sexual violence?
Can I demand racing games be banned because they promote CO2 emissions?
No, and thankfully this is a complete strawman. If one wanted to make that analogy, it might point out how racing games might normalize speeding.
No. I don’t think that. In fact, research says access to porn reduces sex violence.
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This is not correct.
Contrary to the earlier notion that addiction is predominantly a substance dependency, research now suggests that any source or experience capable of stimulating an individual has addictive potential. This has led to a paradigm shift in the psychiatric understanding of behavioural addictions. These can refer to a range of behaviors such as gambling, video gaming, and sexual practices. Hypersexual behavior and pornography addiction come to the fore when the behavior becomes intensive, out of the individual’s control, and persists in that pattern despite harmful consequences and risk of harm to one’s emotional and/or physical health.
Pron addiction is just Christian men who watch an average amount feeling guilty about it because their religion groomed them to feel guilty to control them.
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The US is filled with gun crazy bigoted nut bags who love to go around bathrooms for genital inspections while crying at the sight of any rainbow flag.
See how unhelpful it is to make shitty generalisations?
Isn’t that the case though?
