Hey, heys hey now.

… yeah you’re probably right.

You can’t cheat when it’s not a real sport

I’m kidding guys relax

I appreciate you finding that article - interesting one.

I’m very much amateur curler, and can’t see how that tiny touch would impact it, but maybe it does at that level of competition.

Using a perfect shot to stop on the button with no spin, and energy= all kinetic (1/2mv2) =friction energy(F*deltaX), we get a release speed of 1.8m/s (with a .006 coefficient), and a 2.98m/s speed (with a 0.016 coefficient).

Using the same equation, I go ahead and rerun the number, but adding a distance of 0.1m, a value I used as a good approximation of a reliable accuracy of an Olympic throw, and a time of 0.2s (the approximate time I estimated based on the video), which means a deltaX2 of 0.36m, or 0.596m.

1/2mv2+fapplieddeltaX2 = ffrictiondeltaX Fapplied comes out to 0.326N to 0.526N which is a miniscule amount.

That seems to indicate that a tiny touch DOES have the potential to make a significant difference. Some sources say 0.25 to 0.5N is required for a keyboard press, so its roughly on par with that

But, how much of a difference does the sweeping make on stone speed? Its easy to say that tiny change can impact things, but how does it compare to, say, sweeping hard vs not sweeping?

This study shows a sweeping change of 45+/-8mm. Thus a change of 25% on top of that is not insignificant.

So the last question is, does it make sense for someone to train specifically by cheating this way rather than doing it right and just pushing off with a more accurate force? That’s likely going to be subjective, but seems difficult to me.

Who knows, maybe this is a crutch and it is making a difference. Sounds like they need to stop doing it any case, whether a way they’ve trained or not. Or wear a camera showing they don’t touch the rock and just hover their finger behind it.

I mean the text in the op you see here is identical to the hexbear op. I opened it up and the vast majority are just talking about it as the news it is with some jokes scattered in. The account you’re replying to is one of a handful that have identical posting patterns, one of which being they near(?) exclusively post anti-china and anti-russia shit, deserved or otherwise.

I love curling drama.

Getting caught with “you can fuck off” on a hit mic doesn’t help either. Last thing anyone wants is for Canada to gain a reputation of cheating, especially after the drone scandal with the Canadian womens soccer team at the Paris Olympics in '24.

Ahead of the tournament, on 22 July, New Zealand players noticed a drone flying over their training session and reported this to local police.[2] Drone operating laws in France ban drones from being flown above people and ban recordings made by drones to be shared without the subjects’ consent. French police were already wary of drones in terms of security around the 2024 Summer Olympics.[1][3] Saint-Étienne police followed the drone and found and detained its operator, a member of the staff of the Canadian team. The New Zealand Olympic Committee (NZOC) then reported the incident to the International Olympic Committee (IOC) integrity unit, before making a public announcement the next day together with New Zealand Football, expressing their disappointment towards the Canadian team. The Canadian Olympic Committee (COC) then apologized to the NZOC and said they would review next steps with Canada Soccer and all the relevant governing bodies.[2][4]

The drone operator, analyst Joseph Lombardi, admitted after his arrest that he had also filmed another New Zealand training session on 19 July,[5] a fact later made public by the COC.[1][3] Though Lombardi immediately said that the spying was “a personal initiative”, the police found a text message exchange on his phone with assistant coach Jasmine Mander that indicated Mander knew of the spying.[6]

If you’re resorting to espionage please just accept that you suck and don’t do things that drag your nations reputation in the process.

Now you’ve just pissed off the cheaters and the curlers

A little finger poke ain’t gonna do shit.

And yet they risked getting caught breaking one of the major rules to do it. Why take that risk if doing it had no effect?

They’ll have to hurry hard and get me

Because we aren’t kids and don’t go to school since the 90’s.

Hence the if. I am in my hood. Is this gonna take long for you to internalize, or? You do realize that outside the bubble you live in is a big world with all sorts of people in it, right, some of them not particularly nice. What I said was, you speak like that around the wrong people in the wrong neighborhood you’re gonna get your face stomped. Is that something you find hard to believe?

Check out the article I shared - many high-level curlers don’t consider it an infraction at all, let alone a major one. Even Oskar Eriksson, who made the original accusation, doesn’t seem to think it’s exclusive to Team Canada:

For us, it’s been a problem the last couple of years, so we think it’s good that everyone can play with the same rules. Hopefully it’s just getting better from this.”

It’s a dumb thing to do, though, and I’d be happy if people cleaned up their acts across the board.

Hahaha yeah I’m sure those curlers would be a rough fight! Try to understand that not everyone is an overweight neckbeard living in some WASP community like you do, buddy. Turn on the news sometimes.

Having been the one to originally use the word “accident,” I should probably amend that to “habitual.” A bad habit that people generally don’t call, that the Swedish team doesn’t appreciate (and is technically correct about).

disagree. it isn’t conclusive. it shows that his finger was very close to touching for a few frames. that’s it. “very close” is not over the line. his finger is just enough on the back side that it’s inconclusive.

it’s a bit of a weird motion, sure, but watch a bunch of throws from various people and you’ll see some similar stuff.

that said, adjust your delivery so you’re not in this position in the first place. and settle down, even if there’s an ongoing issue you’re annoyed about.

I do find it funny that this is such a big deal but you can see people all over the place in this tournament dragging their finger(s) down the back of the handle at release, seemingly over the stone as well (yes I recognize that is a different motion that poking forward after being behind it)

where’d this image come from? this is exactly what I’ve been looking for, a shot from the appropriate angle

as much as people disliked what they said, they’re right - the point still stands.

THIS is the angle needed on the disputed throw, because his finger is behind the stone from camera’s POV. what’s happening in this throw could very well be exactly the case in the other

Anyone involved in this should be fired and not allowed anywhere near amateur or professional sports teams.

Flying drones to record trainings during the Olympics isn’t “a little bit cheating”, that shit should be smashed to hell