So, you and I both know that public praying isn’t just people being in public standing around praying without anyone knowing they’re praying.

If a person went to a restaurant and started vocally praising Satan for this meal for an hour prior to eating it… yeah I bet they would make a lot of people uncomfortable. Not to mention the restaurant would refuse them service.

What you want to do is justify bothering people in public spaces with your beliefs. If you can stand around in public thinking about your god without letting anyone else know you’re doing it, then no one would be uncomfortable.

Do you feel that you should be able to hold hands with a same sex partner in plain view of everyone else when you make them uncomfortable?

Yes, you can hold hands and you can hold your bible. You can also be a believer in god while also walking in public. You can even wear a rainbow or a crucifix to identify your own kind. But, keep your void damned pants on and don’t scream out praising your god.

Do you feel that you should be able to be trans in plain view of everyone else when you make them uncomfortable?

Yes trans is a person being who they are. Religion is a choice.

Maybe people being uncomfortable is not a good yardstick for determining what people can do in public.

I don’t disagree that “uncomfortable” is a slippery slope word. And while I completely agree with banning prayer in public—I probably wouldn’t vote for it. Unlike religious people, I dislike forcing my views on people, even if their entire existence is doing that.

If you aren’t able to see how a comparison between two things does not create a combination of those two things, then you aren’t intelligent enough to converse in a polite manor. I’ve provided more details in my other comments, you can read those without interacting with me.

Then that’s not prayer, it’s being a public nuisance, a disturber of the peace. That’s a different crime / tort that I’m sure is already on the books.

The prayer part is irrelevant.

There’s a precedent like this in the US: enhancement laws

They ruin lives, and don’t stop crime.

Blocking traffic is an offense of its own. We don’t need this law.

It just so happens that it always boils down to policing what Muslims do. Just one big coincidence.

What a weirdo comparison to make.

So ban unsafe behaviour in the metro. Jeezus, why does everything need to be a fucking culture war.

Only we do know exactly the results of the CAQ’s “laïcité” laws:

New research shows Bill 21 having 'devastating' impact on religious minorities in Quebec | CBC News

A new survey shows the negative impact Bill 21 is having on Quebec’s religious minorities three years after the law was adopted.  But the research also reveals overall support for the law, while still strong, is full of contradictions.

CBC (www.cbc.ca)

Bury your head in the sand all you like but the systemic racism that is embedded in the social outcomes of these laws is undeniable and palpable.

So what is an example of something you think this topic is referring to? It’s not referring to a family doing a quick prayer before a public meal.

That’s very fair yes. But how can you tell those who are anti-religion for racist reasons from those who are for not?

There are two hazards in our discussion:

1. someone being called racist
2. someone suffering from systemic racism

I prioritize hazard 1 as having a lower consequence than hazard 2.

In other words, I care much more about eradicating systemic racism than the hurt feelings of someone whose motives are misunderstood.

OK that’s a good argument. It’s perhaps a flaw of the word “racist” that it can include systemic racism, when it connotes individual racism.

It sounds like a bunch of flimsy bullshit in order to legally oppress practicing religious freedoms.

You should always question why law enforcement gets extra work.

So, you’re not able to answer my question or you’re refusing to?

I don’t disagree that giving law enforcement more work should be questioned, but… religious people are the cause of… most of the world’s problems. So I don’t have a ton of empathy. Keep it in your church.

Why should I have to answer your question? What makes you so special that I’m required to do indulge in your navel gazing?

Making the practice of prayer illegal in any form is asinine and an overstepping of personal freedoms.

If you can’t understand that, start looking at every fascist entity of the past, and realize you’re on the wrong side.

I disagree. Sorry. Religious people are just… the cause of most problems in the world.

It sounds like your idea of “fascism” is Socialism without Religion… sign me up.

People using religion to oppress and usurp others, yes.

People just having a personal relationship with whatever they believe in? No.

Often, what one would see as a crime or nuisance while observing “religious practices” is simply another already codified behavior. Also, meditation could be constructed as prayer under the vagueness of these kinds of laws.

No one is saying that a person cannot be religious. They are saying that they cannot pray on the side of the street. It’s cold on the side of the street, you have a dedicated place for this. I imagine that it has comfortable seats, made of solid gold, and people that you know. Go there, get the fuck out of my face with your fucking bigotry and hate.

Religion had its time, and it failed. Get back in the fucking closet.

It’s a public park, and I’m not gonna advocate for banning it, but it does make me uncomfortable and if they eventually start blasting the quran in public (like the government does in Iran) I will support banning it.