Quebec to ban public prayer in sweeping new secularism law
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What bothers me about this perspective is the implicit assumption that everyone who thinks that public displays of religion should be banned is actually motivated by racism, rather than recognising that somebody can be against this for non-racist reasons.
It just so happens that it always boils down to policing what Muslims do. Just one big coincidence.
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Praying in PUBLIC is like having sex in public. Don’t.
What a weirdo comparison to make.
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So ban unsafe behaviour in the metro. Jeezus, why does everything need to be a fucking culture war.
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It’s not racism with more steps. You don’t even know it has not been enforced improperly. It’s a lot easier to enforce enforcement than it is to stop people ruining the world
Only we do know exactly the results of the CAQ’s “laïcité” laws:
New research shows Bill 21 having 'devastating' impact on religious minorities in Quebec | CBC News
A new survey shows the negative impact Bill 21 is having on Quebec’s religious minorities three years after the law was adopted. But the research also reveals overall support for the law, while still strong, is full of contradictions.
CBC (www.cbc.ca)
Bury your head in the sand all you like but the systemic racism that is embedded in the social outcomes of these laws is undeniable and palpable.
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Then that’s not prayer, it’s being a public nuisance, a disturber of the peace. That’s a different crime / tort that I’m sure is already on the books.
The prayer part is irrelevant.
There’s a precedent like this in the US: enhancement laws
They ruin lives, and don’t stop crime.
So what is an example of something you think this topic is referring to? It’s not referring to a family doing a quick prayer before a public meal.
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It just so happens that it always boils down to policing what Muslims do. Just one big coincidence.
That’s very fair yes. But how can you tell those who are anti-religion for racist reasons from those who are for not?
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That’s very fair yes. But how can you tell those who are anti-religion for racist reasons from those who are for not?
There are two hazards in our discussion:
- someone being called racist
- someone suffering from systemic racism
I prioritize hazard 1 as having a lower consequence than hazard 2.
In other words, I care much more about eradicating systemic racism than the hurt feelings of someone whose motives are misunderstood.
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There are two hazards in our discussion:
- someone being called racist
- someone suffering from systemic racism
I prioritize hazard 1 as having a lower consequence than hazard 2.
In other words, I care much more about eradicating systemic racism than the hurt feelings of someone whose motives are misunderstood.
OK that’s a good argument. It’s perhaps a flaw of the word “racist” that it can include systemic racism, when it connotes individual racism.
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So what is an example of something you think this topic is referring to? It’s not referring to a family doing a quick prayer before a public meal.
It sounds like a bunch of flimsy bullshit in order to legally oppress practicing religious freedoms.
You should always question why law enforcement gets extra work.
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It sounds like a bunch of flimsy bullshit in order to legally oppress practicing religious freedoms.
You should always question why law enforcement gets extra work.
So, you’re not able to answer my question or you’re refusing to?
I don’t disagree that giving law enforcement more work should be questioned, but… religious people are the cause of… most of the world’s problems. So I don’t have a ton of empathy. Keep it in your church.
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So, you’re not able to answer my question or you’re refusing to?
I don’t disagree that giving law enforcement more work should be questioned, but… religious people are the cause of… most of the world’s problems. So I don’t have a ton of empathy. Keep it in your church.
Why should I have to answer your question? What makes you so special that I’m required to do indulge in your navel gazing?
Making the practice of prayer illegal in any form is asinine and an overstepping of personal freedoms.
If you can’t understand that, start looking at every fascist entity of the past, and realize you’re on the wrong side.
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Why should I have to answer your question? What makes you so special that I’m required to do indulge in your navel gazing?
Making the practice of prayer illegal in any form is asinine and an overstepping of personal freedoms.
If you can’t understand that, start looking at every fascist entity of the past, and realize you’re on the wrong side.
I disagree. Sorry. Religious people are just… the cause of most problems in the world.
It sounds like your idea of “fascism” is Socialism without Religion… sign me up.
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I disagree. Sorry. Religious people are just… the cause of most problems in the world.
It sounds like your idea of “fascism” is Socialism without Religion… sign me up.
People using religion to oppress and usurp others, yes.
People just having a personal relationship with whatever they believe in? No.
Often, what one would see as a crime or nuisance while observing “religious practices” is simply another already codified behavior. Also, meditation could be constructed as prayer under the vagueness of these kinds of laws.
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People using religion to oppress and usurp others, yes.
People just having a personal relationship with whatever they believe in? No.
Often, what one would see as a crime or nuisance while observing “religious practices” is simply another already codified behavior. Also, meditation could be constructed as prayer under the vagueness of these kinds of laws.
No one is saying that a person cannot be religious. They are saying that they cannot pray on the side of the street. It’s cold on the side of the street, you have a dedicated place for this. I imagine that it has comfortable seats, made of solid gold, and people that you know. Go there, get the fuck out of my face with your fucking bigotry and hate.
Religion had its time, and it failed. Get back in the fucking closet.
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Then don’t be in that space?
So you feel the same when a bunch of people are meditating? Same action, really.
It’s a public park, and I’m not gonna advocate for banning it, but it does make me uncomfortable and if they eventually start blasting the quran in public (like the government does in Iran) I will support banning it.
