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Epic CEO Tim Sweeney takes yet another victory lap after Apple's latest appeal fails: 'The long national nightmare of the Apple tax is ended'

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  • D dormedas@lemmy.dormedas.com

    I’m so happy this other large company which wants to embed itself as a storefront and soak up fees won against the other large company which was already doing it.

    Like, genuinely I am, but Epic isn’t doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. Epic/Sweeney is mostly sad they didn’t have the monopoly first.

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    mangionedontmiss@lemmy.ca
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    ask any game dev if they’re happy Epic won this battle? If they say no then they’ve never tried to release a game on a marketplace. This is a huge win for developers.

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    • M mangionedontmiss@lemmy.ca

      ask any game dev if they’re happy Epic won this battle? If they say no then they’ve never tried to release a game on a marketplace. This is a huge win for developers.

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      dormedas@lemmy.dormedas.com
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      I am a dev. I said I’m glad they won. Epic still sucks, though.

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      • D dormedas@lemmy.dormedas.com

        I am a dev. I said I’m glad they won. Epic still sucks, though.

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        mangionedontmiss@lemmy.ca
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        so am i. And I’ll agree epic sucks in some ways, sweeney in more, but they also provide a relatively awesome toolset. i think epic has gotten a lot of undue hate just for having a marketplace seperate from steam - but steam has been exploiting devs for a long ass time too.

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        • B borgdrone@lemmy.one

          Now Epic can finally install their own payment system, bypassing Apple’s parental controls, and little Timmy can just enter the details from mommy’s credit card when Epic gets him addicted to gambling loot boxes.

          Such a win for consumers.

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          alessandro@lemmy.ca
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          We have laws to protect children, no other companies: we need laws that hit hard companies that don’t respect people (and other companies)'s rights.

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          • borariB borari

            Epic is not successful? They’re a privately held company with a valuation of like $32 billion. They are the developers of Fortnite, and like 75% of all console/PC video games are built in their engine.

            I guess my question is how the fuck do you define successful then?

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            Ulrich
            wrote on last edited by ulrich@feddit.org
            #42

            Well. Being profitable would be a good start.

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            • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca

              We have laws to protect children, no other companies: we need laws that hit hard companies that don’t respect people (and other companies)'s rights.

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              borgdrone@lemmy.one
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              We have laws to protect children

              Hahaha, good one.

              we need laws that hit hard companies that don’t respect people (and other companies)'s rights.

              In the US? That’s not going to happen. The US is run by corporations.

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                Epic CEO Tim Sweeney takes yet another victory lap after Apple's latest appeal fails: 'The long national nightmare of the Apple tax is ended'

                Tim, you're gonna make Tim Cook retire early.

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                theoneandonly@lemmy.world
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                “… Long national nightmare…”. I think this guy likes his hyperbole. Trump, DOGE, and the rest of the current government? National nightmare. Russia attempting to invade Ukraine? National nightmare. Israel killing thousands of children in a bid to wipe out an entire populace? NATIONAL NIGHTMARE. This guy needs to visit reality more often.

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                • sparky@lemmy.federate.ccS sparky@lemmy.federate.cc

                  Yes, Steam takes a cut as well. But the crux of the argument is the monopoly part. You can distribute your game outside of steam - on other app stores, or sell it directly to customers if you want. On iOS, there is literally no other distribution channel. You have to pay Apple and use their thing. That’s the difference.

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                  ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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                  That’s the legal argument

                  The person I replied to was asking if Epic would port everyone’s game to Linux because of the IOS cost savings, when Steam takes the same cut it actually is all that matters in that argument

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                  • M mangionedontmiss@lemmy.ca

                    why is epic trash? I mean yes, sweeney sucks balls, but why EPIC trash?

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                    etterra@discuss.online
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                    It’s lacking s bunch of basic functionality that, for example, stream has. Even Epic itself admitted that it’s not great.

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                    Epic founder, president, and largest shareholder Tim Sweeney admitted that the Epic Games Launcher is indeed clunky, as the users say.

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                    • E etterra@discuss.online

                      When the girls are fighting, I’m on team popcorn.

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                      pirrrrrrrr@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                      Nah. The girls are good. THE GROWN BILLIONAIRE MEN are fighting. Don’t rope women in to this.

                      Billionaires are fucking weird.

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                      • T theoneandonly@lemmy.world

                        “… Long national nightmare…”. I think this guy likes his hyperbole. Trump, DOGE, and the rest of the current government? National nightmare. Russia attempting to invade Ukraine? National nightmare. Israel killing thousands of children in a bid to wipe out an entire populace? NATIONAL NIGHTMARE. This guy needs to visit reality more often.

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                        zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com
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                        The rich don’t live in reality

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                        • P pirrrrrrrr@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                          Nah. The girls are good. THE GROWN BILLIONAIRE MEN are fighting. Don’t rope women in to this.

                          Billionaires are fucking weird.

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                          zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com
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                          That was a reference to AOC making fun of Trump and Elon

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                          • Z zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com

                            That was a reference to AOC making fun of Trump and Elon

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                            pirrrrrrrr@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                            I know. AOC should know better.

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                            • I ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca

                              Steam takes just as big a cut as Apple

                              But UE already supports Linux export and when Epic bought EAC the first thing they did was give it Linux support so they have already done what you asked

                              Unless you’re talking about Fortnite

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                              pixxlman@lemmy.world
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                              And unlike Apple, it’s completely optional to release on steam

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                                binturong@lemmy.ca
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                                Tim Weenie can go kick rocks, barefoot.

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                                • UlrichU Ulrich

                                  Well. Being profitable would be a good start.

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                                  borari
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                                  They’re a privately held company, so afaik don’t have to release public earnings statements.

                                  If you’re talking about the financials made public as a part of the Apple v Epic lawsuit, I’m pretty sure they just show that Epic Game Store isn’t profitable, not that Epic isn’t profitable.

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                                  • borariB borari

                                    They’re a privately held company, so afaik don’t have to release public earnings statements.

                                    If you’re talking about the financials made public as a part of the Apple v Epic lawsuit, I’m pretty sure they just show that Epic Game Store isn’t profitable, not that Epic isn’t profitable.

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                                    Five years after it took on Steam, Epic Games Store is yet to make a penny of profit

                                    Epic hoped to scoop up half of all PC gaming revenue back in 2021.

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                                    Tim Sweeney’s Epic Games Store Is Still Losing Money After Five Years

                                    That’s straight from Epic Games Store head Steve Allison on the witness stand who admitted the storefront is still losing money.

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                                    https://www.ign.com/articles/the-epic-games-store-still-isnt-profitable-nearly-five-years-after-launch

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                                    The Epic Games Store still isn’t profitable.

                                    We knew the company was spending millions to give away free games every week, but we’d heard it was a bit of a money sink despite not actually paying for each and every copy given away. In case you’re keeping track, Epic Games Store boss Steve Allison says on the witness stand his store isn’t profitable yet. The goal is still growth, he says. Emails revealed during the Epic v. Apple trial suggested the company was hoping to claim half of all PC gaming revenue.

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                                    The Epic Games Store isn't profitable after five years, growth is still Epic's "goal"

                                    Epic Games has admitted that its digital storefront still isn't profitable after launching five years ago.

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                                    • M mangionedontmiss@lemmy.ca

                                      so am i. And I’ll agree epic sucks in some ways, sweeney in more, but they also provide a relatively awesome toolset. i think epic has gotten a lot of undue hate just for having a marketplace seperate from steam - but steam has been exploiting devs for a long ass time too.

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                                      dormedas@lemmy.dormedas.com
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                                      It’d be easier to side with Epic if they put really any effort at all into the Epic Games Store. I know there’s a lot of features to catch up on to be competitive to Steam, but considering they spent hundreds of millions of dollars on exclusivity, you’d think they would spend more on improving EGS.

                                      To some extent, people will hate EGS anyway, but if they just quietly trucked along adding feature after feature, those that use it would spread the word. Instead, it largely stagnated and people kept reporting to others that it generally still sucks.

                                      Playing catch-up takes time but at least the company that does already has an enumerated list of features to implement and can glean ideas about how to do so.

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                                      • P pixxlman@lemmy.world

                                        And unlike Apple, it’s completely optional to release on steam

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                                        ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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                                        That’s irrelevant to the comment I was replying to

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                                          Five years after it took on Steam, Epic Games Store is yet to make a penny of profit

                                          Epic hoped to scoop up half of all PC gaming revenue back in 2021.

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                                          Tim Sweeney’s Epic Games Store Is Still Losing Money After Five Years

                                          That’s straight from Epic Games Store head Steve Allison on the witness stand who admitted the storefront is still losing money.

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                                          Forbes (www.forbes.com)

                                          https://www.ign.com/articles/the-epic-games-store-still-isnt-profitable-nearly-five-years-after-launch

                                          Link Preview Image
                                          The Epic Games Store still isn’t profitable.

                                          We knew the company was spending millions to give away free games every week, but we’d heard it was a bit of a money sink despite not actually paying for each and every copy given away. In case you’re keeping track, Epic Games Store boss Steve Allison says on the witness stand his store isn’t profitable yet. The goal is still growth, he says. Emails revealed during the Epic v. Apple trial suggested the company was hoping to claim half of all PC gaming revenue.

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                                          The Verge (www.theverge.com)

                                          Link Preview Image
                                          The Epic Games Store isn't profitable after five years, growth is still Epic's "goal"

                                          Epic Games has admitted that its digital storefront still isn't profitable after launching five years ago.

                                          favicon

                                          TechRadar (www.techradar.com)

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                                          borari
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                                          All your links say Epic GAME STORE isn’t making money, which is exactly what I fucking said. Epic the entire company can be profitable while the storefront is not.

                                          Big hint, Fortnite in game purchases and Unreal Engine license sales print money for Epic. You’re willfully ignorant at this point bro.

                                          You do realize what the difference between a company and a specific business line is right?

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