Thirsty Sword Lesbians is pretty based too
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I wholly don’t understand it. If one brings up an issue it kind of is up to the person to explain why it is an issue, no? I’d just tell ya I’m part of a marginalised group? Like, I’m the US version of “white”, rich enough to afford a vacation a year and a house, cishet. My marginalization is not brought up on those bullet points so you’d have to go digging down my comments to find it. Like, how often do these issues get brought up?
Like, the person exists allright if they’re in front of me but if they have an active problem they do have to make a case among the group, as otherwise it seems very easily weaponized.
As for the reason I’m a marginalised group, I got falsely accused of raping someone and that wholly destroyed my social life. I hope you have an understanding of why I’m very weary of these kind of systems.
What this is talking about would be if I were to now ask you questions about your marginalization and demanded answers. But since that is not relevant to our discussion here and because it’s not your job to ensure that I am informed on any issues relating to your marginalization I wouldn’t ask the questions in the first place. You shouldn’t have to feel like you have to justify your existence to anybody who possess by and is curious.
People sometimes treat visible members of marginalized groups like they are information dispensers. That just because they are viable they are responsible for entertaining their curiousity. In specific instances where it’s relevant and invited a discussion of their marginalization is fine. But it’s is not the job of someone to ensure any person interested is told about whatever they want to ask.
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I wholly don’t understand it. If one brings up an issue it kind of is up to the person to explain why it is an issue, no? I’d just tell ya I’m part of a marginalised group? Like, I’m the US version of “white”, rich enough to afford a vacation a year and a house, cishet. My marginalization is not brought up on those bullet points so you’d have to go digging down my comments to find it. Like, how often do these issues get brought up?
Like, the person exists allright if they’re in front of me but if they have an active problem they do have to make a case among the group, as otherwise it seems very easily weaponized.
As for the reason I’m a marginalised group, I got falsely accused of raping someone and that wholly destroyed my social life. I hope you have an understanding of why I’m very weary of these kind of systems.
I demand that you educate me about your experience being falsely accused of rape. How did that happen? Was the accuser someone you knew well? Is it very common for someone to be falsely accused of rape? How long ago was it? How exactly does this affect your social life? Why didn’t the stigma go away after you were acquitted? I know someone who was falsely accused of rape and acquitted about seventeen years ago, and it fucked up his life at the time but it doesn’t really affect him anymore. Hey, his name is [x], do you know him?
I can’t relate to what you’re going through until I know the details. I demand that you educate me about your marginalization.
(EDIT: These kinds of ignorant, insensitive DEMANDS are extremely common. Demanding that someone educate you is not the same thing as offering to listen and politely asking if they would be comfortable with answering some questions so that you can learn and grow.
I’m truly sorry, my dad went through the same thing. He got arrested in front of us. We barely saw him for two years, he lost his job and his home and primary custody of us, and it took forever for him to get completely back on his feet. All for a spiteful lie. He pretty much had to start over in a new town. I have an idea of how painful it is, I just don’t know why you would think it’s okay to “demand” that someone educate you about their marginalization.)
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Guys no one ever says “don’t even ASK!”. It’s just that if you do ask, and the person does not have the energy or the capacity of explaining at that moment for any reason, don’t push and don’t get angry. Being oppressed is tiring, and having to explain yourself all the time is even more tiring. That’s all. If you are genuinely curious, you will find resources to learn and even people willing to teach. Just don’t expect EVERYONE to be that person.
Well said
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It’s your responsibility to learn, not their responsibility to teach.
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Lol no. These people rarely have empathy for anyone but themselves.
Exactly. White collar, upwardly mobile women (usually white) trying to accrue social credit for themselves to preen for other similarly minded women with no real desire to make anything materially better for anyone else.
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Even though we usually talk about it in a derogatory way, virtue signaling is not inherently bad. A shirt that says “trans rights are human rights” is virtue signaling, but the performance is in itself beneficial to society, even if the wearer is only doing it to feel trendy and special.
What they accomplished with this is hostility to bigots who might otherwise have felt welcome.
I don’t think they’re actually accomplishing any of those things. I’d argue a shirt is a demonstration IRL of support, which can raise awareness or normalize support for a cause (although not super effectively). Things like this make the “bigots” you are pwning just write this off as the usual DEI bullshit that nobody likes while also turning off anyone without your EXACT strain of identitarian politics, even if they don’t actually oppose any specific sentiment in the statement. It is literally counterproductive because it makes you (and your cause) look angry and mean and like the bully.
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I don’t think they’re actually accomplishing any of those things. I’d argue a shirt is a demonstration IRL of support, which can raise awareness or normalize support for a cause (although not super effectively). Things like this make the “bigots” you are pwning just write this off as the usual DEI bullshit that nobody likes while also turning off anyone without your EXACT strain of identitarian politics, even if they don’t actually oppose any specific sentiment in the statement. It is literally counterproductive because it makes you (and your cause) look angry and mean and like the bully.
Who is it being mean towards or bullying? Who is it angry at?
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Who is it being mean towards or bullying? Who is it angry at?
People looking at the webpage this is on?
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It’s your responsibility to learn, not their responsibility to teach.
also, found this from a tumblr post
My problem with “it’s not my job to educate you!” is that if you’re an activist then yes, it is your job, that’s part of what activism is. If you call yourself an activist but in the next breath refuse to offer education to those who are able to listen, your activism is performative/disingenuous at best and actively harmful at worst. Telling people to “google it” it not helpful when google has become increasingly unusable and bogged down with advertisements and unusable results - not to mention, not everyone can be expected to tell the difference between accurate sources and, say, dogwhistle-y propaganda messages, especially if they are new to leftism. You could be doing more to push them towards the right than to help them understand leftism, all because of “purity politics” or clique behaviors or superiority complexes or whatever it is that’s causing all these people to behave this way.
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Exactly. White collar, upwardly mobile women (usually white) trying to accrue social credit for themselves to preen for other similarly minded women with no real desire to make anything materially better for anyone else.
Can’t count the number of times I’ve had “allies” try to call me out for speaking about my own experience. Identity politics is a cancer.
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also, found this from a tumblr post
My problem with “it’s not my job to educate you!” is that if you’re an activist then yes, it is your job, that’s part of what activism is. If you call yourself an activist but in the next breath refuse to offer education to those who are able to listen, your activism is performative/disingenuous at best and actively harmful at worst. Telling people to “google it” it not helpful when google has become increasingly unusable and bogged down with advertisements and unusable results - not to mention, not everyone can be expected to tell the difference between accurate sources and, say, dogwhistle-y propaganda messages, especially if they are new to leftism. You could be doing more to push them towards the right than to help them understand leftism, all because of “purity politics” or clique behaviors or superiority complexes or whatever it is that’s causing all these people to behave this way.
Not everyone is an activist though. And even those that are, they need down time sometimes. I get it’s tough for those on the spectrum to understand, but in this context, let people at the table just play the fucking game.
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Is asking okay though ?
Ask politely, show a genuine interest, and don’t try to undermine what they say. Also read the room if it’s going into a topic that someone doesn’t feel comfortable talking about and be ready to learn another day!
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The meme is making the effort required to be educated or a fascist equivalent when they are not.
Being a fascist is intellectually easy.
Got a problem? Blame migrants Can’t get ahead? Blame Jews Can’t afford a house? Black people got too uppity
It’s a one trick pony, all problems are caused by someone else and I’m perfect.
Understanding the systemic reasons why women still aren’t paid the same as men or why a disproportionate amount of African Americans are incarcerated is hard and requires a lot of foundational groundwork to overcome the huge capitalist propaganda machine.
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also, found this from a tumblr post
My problem with “it’s not my job to educate you!” is that if you’re an activist then yes, it is your job, that’s part of what activism is. If you call yourself an activist but in the next breath refuse to offer education to those who are able to listen, your activism is performative/disingenuous at best and actively harmful at worst. Telling people to “google it” it not helpful when google has become increasingly unusable and bogged down with advertisements and unusable results - not to mention, not everyone can be expected to tell the difference between accurate sources and, say, dogwhistle-y propaganda messages, especially if they are new to leftism. You could be doing more to push them towards the right than to help them understand leftism, all because of “purity politics” or clique behaviors or superiority complexes or whatever it is that’s causing all these people to behave this way.
Yeah I’m not reading all that. Google it.
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We’re talking about a fucking game, not an undergraduate ethics class.
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I would play this despite not respecting fat people
Not with me you fucking won’t.
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Inspired by this post about Vampire The Masquerade
You are a little too comfortable telling people how to talk. I’m seeing that a lot these days.
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Ask politely, show a genuine interest, and don’t try to undermine what they say. Also read the room if it’s going into a topic that someone doesn’t feel comfortable talking about and be ready to learn another day!
Thanks for the honest answer !
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You are a little too comfortable telling people how to talk. I’m seeing that a lot these days.
When we tell people not to murder, we are telling them how to act. When we tell people not to be racist, we are telling people how to talk. Telling people not to do things is a normal thing to do. The content of what is being told is the important part.
Is there a particular part of the op that you find friction with?
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The meme is making the effort required to be educated or a fascist equivalent when they are not.
Being a fascist is intellectually easy.
Got a problem? Blame migrants Can’t get ahead? Blame Jews Can’t afford a house? Black people got too uppity
It’s a one trick pony, all problems are caused by someone else and I’m perfect.
Understanding the systemic reasons why women still aren’t paid the same as men or why a disproportionate amount of African Americans are incarcerated is hard and requires a lot of foundational groundwork to overcome the huge capitalist propaganda machine.
you’re kind of saying that this school of thought isn’t for everyone?
when, really, everyone would benefit from it.
