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What, like you can’t buy vodka and orange juice at the same time?
These things are not comparable. They do not function the same way.
I don’t think this would apply to mixing.
I mean nobody is going to ban buying a pregnancy test at the same time as a clothes hanger.
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Libel tends to be deliberate, yes. You’re inventing motive and projecting it as hard as you can.
While calling for physical violence. If that’s not just banter, please eat a ban.
Meanwhile: flavored cigarettes had this same damn argument, for the same damn reason. You know addiction is hell - why don’t you care enough about stopping new addicts, to put up with nicotine that tastes like nicotine?
LOL
Libel? For an assessment of toxic, pretentious self-righteousness?
That’s just about the most delicious irony I’ve ever encountered.
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It’s not that I “can’t fathom” it as that I know that it’s complete snd total bullshit.
Tobacco companies didn’t invent vsping - ordinary people did. And tobacco companies didn’t originate the idea of flavoring it - the same ordinary people did. We did it because we prefer it that way.
And then years later, some bunch of self-righteous twats who know absolutely nothing about yhe actial history of ot come stumbling along and start blathering a bunch of fucking nonsense about the evil tobacvo companies flavoring juice to enticevkids.
Motherfucker - I was flavoring juice myself when tobacco companies didn’t even know vaping existed - when it was just a handful of people on a forum experimenting with attaching homemade nichrome coils to modified flashlights.
So don’t fucking presume to tell me what I can or can’t “fathom.”
We did it because we prefer it that way.
And then the people whose evils you’re screeching about monetized the shit out of it, specifically to hook children.
Again.
The industry is not “a handful of people on a forum,” anymore. Elementary schools have anti-vaping policies. The thing you keep calling people monsters for talking about, actually fucking happened.
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LOL
Libel? For an assessment of toxic, pretentious self-righteousness?
That’s just about the most delicious irony I’ve ever encountered.
‘You’re secretly jerking off about abusing power!’ is pretty fucking defamatory, yes. You spat a pile of essentialist name-calling to make shit up about the moustache-twirling evil of… acknowledging that kids vape.
Should I respond in kind by insisting you’re actually a vaping industry shill with a sob story and some sockpuppets? Because that’s the level of discourse you’re glibly engaged in.
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There’s an easy solution here: anyone born after 2007 is hereby banned from purchasing nicotine, period.
Separate laws are intolerable.
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The Government of Canada and Health Canada created this mess all on their own, and here’s how it happened …
On Jan 1, 2021 the feds enacted new vape laws based on Child Resistant packaging. The committee who recommended the restrictions had found a single instance from the early '00s of a US child who had died from consuming vape liquid. From that the committee decided that all vaping products (including juice, RTAs, RTDs, etc) had to be childproof. Now it’s pretty easy to make vape juice containers childproof … but not so easy to make tanks childproof.
Right along side of that are the disposable vapes who were making headway into the market. And ofc they are childproof (concerning the liquid anyway).
It didn’t take long for the more expensive mods and tanks to disappear from the market, leaving only the cheap and easily accessable disposables … which kids can afford and often have access to.
So instead of fixing the current laws the gov’t has instead decided to add to them … leading to restrictions on flavours.
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Separate laws are intolerable.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
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[Imperial Tobacco Canada] also supports the federal government’s regulations to limit flavours to tobacco, mint and menthol
Tobacco companies and nanny state crusaders: United in wanting to make vaping less tasty.
Wait, they’re trying to ban flavoring but still allowing Mint? Last I checked, Mint was quite a popular ice cream flavor.
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Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
That’s an absolute.
And also from a children’s movie.
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Nicotine juice has been flavored from the very start. Way back in the day when premixed juices didn’t even exist and vapers - who were pretty much exclusively smokers looking for a safer alternative - had to buy propylene glycol and nicotine extract and mix it themselves, we also bought flavoring, because the simple fact of the matter is that unflavored nicotine juice doesn’t taste like cigarettes - it tastes sorr of like hand sanitizer mixed with ear wax.
This whole uproar about flavored vapes is a bizarre fiction being promoted by busybody assholes and idiots - by crusading fuckwads using something they self-evidently know absolutely nothing about to feed their desperate and pathetic need to feel self-righteous.
After thirty years of trying and failing to quit smoking, vaping is almost certainly the only reason I’m alive today, and these foul busybody shitbags want to ruin that for me and everyone else in the same position, and bluntly, fuck them. They’re fucking scum.
Fair enough, I’ve never vaped. I quit smoking cold turkey 20 years ago, before vapes became popular. Quitting was fucking hell, and I don’t begrudge anyone whatever tools or transitions help them manage the process. I never recommend anyone quit cold turkey, because I know first hand what a nightmare it was.
My only point is that the manufacturers of nicotine products do not have your best interests at heart. They want to keep you addicted, and get new people addicted. If they could make a product that delivered nicotine and tickled your genitals at the same time, they would.
With less appealing flavors, it might help people like yourself reduce your nicotine intake. Smell and taste are strongly linked to the neurological pathways for pleasure and memory.
When I smoked, a friend of mine would frequently smoke cloves, and so when I was quitting the smell of vanilla or spices would make me crave a cigarette. Associating nicotine with certain flavors will make you crave nicotine when you smell or taste those flavors. Making it less pleasurable over time would reduce cravings.
Either way, if your goal is to stop, then flavors aren’t helpful.
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I smoke flavored eliquid. I don’t want you to choose what I can and can’t do. I’m not a kid and I know the risks.
Come up with some actual improvements instead of pushing everything into the underground. Like actually start to punishing people that sell to kids. Smh
Lower home values would be a popular policy to focus on, instead of trying to moralize while innocent people suffer.
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Fair enough, I’ve never vaped. I quit smoking cold turkey 20 years ago, before vapes became popular. Quitting was fucking hell, and I don’t begrudge anyone whatever tools or transitions help them manage the process. I never recommend anyone quit cold turkey, because I know first hand what a nightmare it was.
My only point is that the manufacturers of nicotine products do not have your best interests at heart. They want to keep you addicted, and get new people addicted. If they could make a product that delivered nicotine and tickled your genitals at the same time, they would.
With less appealing flavors, it might help people like yourself reduce your nicotine intake. Smell and taste are strongly linked to the neurological pathways for pleasure and memory.
When I smoked, a friend of mine would frequently smoke cloves, and so when I was quitting the smell of vanilla or spices would make me crave a cigarette. Associating nicotine with certain flavors will make you crave nicotine when you smell or taste those flavors. Making it less pleasurable over time would reduce cravings.
Either way, if your goal is to stop, then flavors aren’t helpful.
With vaping, and self mixing your own juice, you can control the nicotine content. I found it very useful in weaning myself off cigarettes, primarily the nicotine. I also found it helpful in not eating sweet junk food. Was well on my way to also ditching vaping when the Australian gov’t decided to blanket ban Vaping. I’m back at square one, craving sugar and nicotine. sigh
I did agree with some of the controls put in - not in public/shared spaces, not for kids, etc. But a total ban? That only creates a black market and a shiny for kids who want to rebel.
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I kind of love how you acknowledge how addictive nicotine is, yet can’t fathom tobacco companies, the same people who lied to their customers for decades to keep their industry afloat, making products specifically to entice new users at an easily suggestible stage in their life.
This whole thread is fucking wild.
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This whole thread is fucking wild.
Yeah, I was waiting to reply with, “If you prioritize your convenience over harm to children, just own it.” But all I got was downvotes.
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Yeah, I was waiting to reply with, “If you prioritize your convenience over harm to children, just own it.” But all I got was downvotes.
The shit this guy spits at petitioners is beyond belief, but the fact everyone’s with him is incomprehensible. All over some shit he acknowledges he can just do in his kitchen, without commercial support, using the drugs nobody’s talking about banning.
Meanwhile any implication of ‘would you have wanted someone to prevent your addiction?’ goes totally unanswered.
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The shit this guy spits at petitioners is beyond belief, but the fact everyone’s with him is incomprehensible. All over some shit he acknowledges he can just do in his kitchen, without commercial support, using the drugs nobody’s talking about banning.
Meanwhile any implication of ‘would you have wanted someone to prevent your addiction?’ goes totally unanswered.
Well, a part of me just wants to watch the world burn, and this and posts like it sate that desire. It’s also a good reminder to use Voyager’s tags so I remember this guy if we cross paths again.
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I smoke flavored eliquid. I don’t want you to choose what I can and can’t do. I’m not a kid and I know the risks.
Come up with some actual improvements instead of pushing everything into the underground. Like actually start to punishing people that sell to kids. Smh
Eh, unhealthy habits do have a cost to society if you end up getting cancer and then we all have to pay for your treatment.
Although people who drink too much also don’t get a new liver if they need it, so maybe people who smoke should just forfeit the right to cancer treatment.
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The Government of Canada and Health Canada created this mess all on their own, and here’s how it happened …
On Jan 1, 2021 the feds enacted new vape laws based on Child Resistant packaging. The committee who recommended the restrictions had found a single instance from the early '00s of a US child who had died from consuming vape liquid. From that the committee decided that all vaping products (including juice, RTAs, RTDs, etc) had to be childproof. Now it’s pretty easy to make vape juice containers childproof … but not so easy to make tanks childproof.
Right along side of that are the disposable vapes who were making headway into the market. And ofc they are childproof (concerning the liquid anyway).
It didn’t take long for the more expensive mods and tanks to disappear from the market, leaving only the cheap and easily accessable disposables … which kids can afford and often have access to.
So instead of fixing the current laws the gov’t has instead decided to add to them … leading to restrictions on flavours.
It’s interesting that cannabis oil vapes (side note i find these worse in almost every way to a dry herb vape and don’t understand the popularity) almost always have disposable tanks attached towith reusable batteries in contrast to nicotine almost always fully disposable.
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Why not ban both? There are nuanced approaches you could take that wouldn’t immediately force every addict to quit cold turkey, or turn to the black market.
Flavoured vapes (except menthol and smoke flavour) is illegal in Denmark, and guess what? Everyone and their mother vapes illegal vapes. The prices has actually somewhat gone down after the ban plus today I see kids vaping everywhere, didn’t do that as much five years ago.
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Ban flavored vapes, switch to cigarettes & cigars.
