Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Nicotine juice has been flavored from the very start. Way back in the day when premixed juices didn’t even exist and vapers - who were pretty much exclusively smokers looking for a safer alternative - had to buy propylene glycol and nicotine extract and mix it themselves, we also bought flavoring, because the simple fact of the matter is that unflavored nicotine juice doesn’t taste like cigarettes - it tastes sorr of like hand sanitizer mixed with ear wax.

This whole uproar about flavored vapes is a bizarre fiction being promoted by busybody assholes and idiots - by crusading fuckwads using something they self-evidently know absolutely nothing about to feed their desperate and pathetic need to feel self-righteous.

After thirty years of trying and failing to quit smoking, vaping is almost certainly the only reason I’m alive today, and these foul busybody shitbags want to ruin that for me and everyone else in the same position, and bluntly, fuck them. They’re fucking scum.

I smoke flavored eliquid. I don’t want you to choose what I can and can’t do. I’m not a kid and I know the risks.

Come up with some actual improvements instead of pushing everything into the underground. Like actually start to punishing people that sell to kids. Smh

Fair enough, I’ve never vaped. I quit smoking cold turkey 20 years ago, before vapes became popular. Quitting was fucking hell, and I don’t begrudge anyone whatever tools or transitions help them manage the process. I never recommend anyone quit cold turkey, because I know first hand what a nightmare it was.

My only point is that the manufacturers of nicotine products do not have your best interests at heart. They want to keep you addicted, and get new people addicted. If they could make a product that delivered nicotine and tickled your genitals at the same time, they would.

With less appealing flavors, it might help people like yourself reduce your nicotine intake. Smell and taste are strongly linked to the neurological pathways for pleasure and memory.

When I smoked, a friend of mine would frequently smoke cloves, and so when I was quitting the smell of vanilla or spices would make me crave a cigarette. Associating nicotine with certain flavors will make you crave nicotine when you smell or taste those flavors. Making it less pleasurable over time would reduce cravings.

Either way, if your goal is to stop, then flavors aren’t helpful.

I kind of love how you acknowledge how addictive nicotine is, yet can’t fathom tobacco companies, the same people who lied to their customers for decades to keep their industry afloat, making products specifically to entice new users at an easily suggestible stage in their life.

This whole thread is fucking wild.

Yeah, I was waiting to reply with, “If you prioritize your convenience over harm to children, just own it.” But all I got was downvotes.

The shit this guy spits at petitioners is beyond belief, but the fact everyone’s with him is incomprehensible. All over some shit he acknowledges he can just do in his kitchen, without commercial support, using the drugs nobody’s talking about banning.

Meanwhile any implication of ‘would you have wanted someone to prevent your addiction?’ goes totally unanswered.

I smoke flavored eliquid. I don’t want you to choose what I can and can’t do. I’m not a kid and I know the risks.

Come up with some actual improvements instead of pushing everything into the underground. Like actually start to punishing people that sell to kids. Smh

The Government of Canada and Health Canada created this mess all on their own, and here’s how it happened …

On Jan 1, 2021 the feds enacted new vape laws based on Child Resistant packaging. The committee who recommended the restrictions had found a single instance from the early '00s of a US child who had died from consuming vape liquid. From that the committee decided that all vaping products (including juice, RTAs, RTDs, etc) had to be childproof. Now it’s pretty easy to make vape juice containers childproof … but not so easy to make tanks childproof.

Right along side of that are the disposable vapes who were making headway into the market. And ofc they are childproof (concerning the liquid anyway).

It didn’t take long for the more expensive mods and tanks to disappear from the market, leaving only the cheap and easily accessable disposables … which kids can afford and often have access to.

So instead of fixing the current laws the gov’t has instead decided to add to them … leading to restrictions on flavours.

Why not ban both? There are nuanced approaches you could take that wouldn’t immediately force every addict to quit cold turkey, or turn to the black market.

Eh, unhealthy habits do have a cost to society if you end up getting cancer and then we all have to pay for your treatment.

Although people who drink too much also don’t get a new liver if they need it, so maybe people who smoke should just forfeit the right to cancer treatment.

Go fuck yourself. Now. Fucking cunt cheese nanny state wastes of fucking skin.

Kindly find a porto potty, eat everything inside of it, and die in fucking agony. Please.

Ive seen a single use vape that has a touch screen on it and you can connect to your phone. What a colossal waste of resources.

I would imagine that anyone in favor of one is also likely in fvaor of the other.

So, if can only assume that you don’t believe tobacco companies did the other things they did because North Americans were growing, drying, and smoking tobacco for thousands of years before those companies came into existence.

Everything you described is what happens when niche hobbies become mainstream. That doesn’t mean malicious organizations can’t see the potential for profit and engage in predatory practices. And it doesn’t mean that something that wasn’t particularly harmful to society can’t become harmful when it goes from a niche activity to something mainstream and commercialized.

Care to explain how your vaping experience would be lessened if the device didn’t look like a children’s toy? Or why they should be allowed to be advertised on TV? Also mentioned in those links, about 15% of youths vape with unflavored products. If they can do it these days, I’m sure you’ll be able to handle it, too.