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  3. Valve makes almost $50 million per employee, raking in more cash per person than Google, Amazon, or Microsoft — gaming giant's 350 employees on track to generate $17 billion this year

Valve makes almost $50 million per employee, raking in more cash per person than Google, Amazon, or Microsoft — gaming giant's 350 employees on track to generate $17 billion this year

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  • B Bob Robertson IX

    Treat customers right and you get rewarded. They are the majority market shareholder because they have earned it, not through deceptive business practices but through being a great company.

    If they were a monopoly they wouldn’t allow other game catalogs on their systems, yet I have GOG and Epic on my Steam Deck. In fact, there isn’t even a requirement for me to have Steam on my Steam Deck. Just because a company is the market leader doesn’t mean they got there through unethical means.

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    FishFace
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    #61

    You are equating “monopoly” with “abusive monopoly.”

    Google got its monopoly in internet search by being better than the competition. It’s still a monopoly, even though it mostly plays by the rules.

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    • D dukemirage@lemmy.world

      If I want my game to sell I have to release on Steam, though.

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      truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Hey look, the contrarian is back! Wow! I thought you would take some time to reflect after your wack takes.

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        njm1314@lemmy.world
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        It’s not misleading, you’ve just purposely ignored the meaning of the words to instead imply your own.

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        • B Bob Robertson IX

          I know! There’s this great game called Fortnite that no one has ever heard of because you can’t get it on Steam. /s

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          dukemirage@lemmy.world
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          It did well because EGS is so great /s It’s obviously the exception.

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          • S stupidcasey@lemmy.world

            It is actually very well established:

            https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11211-008-0063-2

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            When Do Financial Incentives Reduce Intrinsic Motivation? Comparing Behaviors Studied in Psychological and Economic Literatures

            Objective: To review existing evidence on the potential of incentives to undermine or “crowd out” intrinsic motivation, in order to establish whether and when it predicts financial incentives to crowd out motivation for health-related behaviors. ...

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            https://www.bsfrey.ch/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/crowding-effects-on-intrinsic-motivation.pdf

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            falsewhite@lemmy.world
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            The research is mostly about overpaying, not high but equal pay for everyone doing the same job. It happens when people compare their effort to others’ and if they feel over-rewarded it can actually lead to two outcomes:

            • Increasing effort to justify it, or
            • reducing effort

            And the evidence is actually mixed between the two outcomes, because different people respond differently to different incentives, like flexibility, holidays, etc.

            Equity theory mostly applies only when the work is measurable and the teams/individuals compare themselves constantly.

            IMO this can be solved by better management and equal pay for equal work/skillset.

            There are also other incentives that can crowd out internal motivation, such as surveillance, pressure, inequality. But obviously management doesn’t want to talk about those, much more profitable to reduce the pay.

            High pay alone doesn’t really trigger crowding out.

            I still maintain my position that this is largely a management and greed issue. And high and equal pay alone doesn’t create a lazy, zombie workforce.

            Here’s some studies and theories arguing the opposite:

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            There continues to be disagreement about whether financial incentives help or harm performance, especially in interesting tasks. Although the Jenkins, Mitra, Gupta, and Shaw (1998) meta-analysis finds a positive effect of incentives, including in interesting tasks (reported ρ ^ = +.34; our computed …

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            • T truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone

              Hey look, the contrarian is back! Wow! I thought you would take some time to reflect after your wack takes.

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              dukemirage@lemmy.world
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              I don‘t think it’s very contrarian or whack to acknowledge the fact that I may need to sell on the biggest platform if I want my game to do well.

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              • D dukemirage@lemmy.world

                I don‘t think it’s very contrarian or whack to acknowledge the fact that I may need to sell on the biggest platform if I want my game to do well.

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                truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                #67

                I’m referring to your prior comments and history speaking in communities. The most recent one I remember involved Portal, Half-life, and counterstrike.

                You’re not at Lembot_0005 level comments yet tho, so that’s good.

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                • B Bob Robertson IX

                  And Steam controls 80%-90% of the video game market?

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                  Chloé 🥕
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                  steam has a 75% marketshare of PC games distribution in the US. the 2nd biggest player, epic games, has a market share estimated from 3% to 7,5%. i can’t find data for steam’s market share outside the US, but i’d expect it to be even higher.

                  if google can be considered to have a monopoly on web browsers with 73% of the marketshare, even as alternatives (like safari, 13%) exist, i don’t see why steam wouldn’t count as well.

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                  • P prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                    Do they have any kind of profit sharing program?

                    I’d be kind of pissed if I worked there and made like $70k or whatever, only to read this shit.

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                    nyctre@lemmy.world
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                    Doubt it. But, for what it’s worth, last I heard, valve was one of the most sought after employers in the business. Apparently the salaries are generous and you get to work on whatever you want, not on what a manager tells you to.

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                      ugurcan@lemmy.world
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                      Then again, somehow I don’t expect Valve’s expenditures are that high, except download server costs.

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                      • F falsewhite@lemmy.world

                        I wonder if they’re also getting paid more or does greedy Gabe just take it all to fund his mega yachts.

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                        generalemergency@lemmy.world
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                        Hey that’s not fair.

                        Gabe is also spending all that money on Aston Martins Valkyries to race around the world.

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                        • F FishFace

                          You are equating “monopoly” with “abusive monopoly.”

                          Google got its monopoly in internet search by being better than the competition. It’s still a monopoly, even though it mostly plays by the rules.

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                          warm
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                          No, Google pays off other browsers to use Google as the default search engine, among many other actual monopolistic practices. Steam does none of that and simply provides a product.

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                          • T truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                            I’m referring to your prior comments and history speaking in communities. The most recent one I remember involved Portal, Half-life, and counterstrike.

                            You’re not at Lembot_0005 level comments yet tho, so that’s good.

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                            dukemirage@lemmy.world
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                            Yes, harassing users without context based on previous comments in other threads is much more valuable for a community. I don’t even remember having contrarian opinions about Portal or Half-Life, they are my favourite series‘.

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                            • G gladaed@feddit.org

                              Didn’t catch that, thanks. What is their actual profit before personal cost?

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                              snooggums
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                              #74

                              Profit is always after all costs, including personnel.

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                              • F FishFace

                                You are equating “monopoly” with “abusive monopoly.”

                                Google got its monopoly in internet search by being better than the competition. It’s still a monopoly, even though it mostly plays by the rules.

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                                Bob Robertson IX
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                                You are equating “monopoly” with “abusive monopoly.”

                                No, I’m not. I’m saying they aren’t a monopoly by the simple fact that they aren’t the only providers of the service they sell. And while they are currently in a position to use their power to make themselves a monopoly, they are not doing that and instead are playing fair with their competition.

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                                  thedudev2@lemmy.ca
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                                  Buddy. Take a breath for a moment. I mean this constructively; it’s an opportunity to learn.

                                  What you’ve just said here is essentially this:

                                  1. Some journalists sometimes make errors.
                                  2. Therefore I choose to make an interpretive error.

                                  Please remember, we all make errors (myself included). The best of us learn from them.

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                                  • N nyctre@lemmy.world

                                    Doubt it. But, for what it’s worth, last I heard, valve was one of the most sought after employers in the business. Apparently the salaries are generous and you get to work on whatever you want, not on what a manager tells you to.

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                                    skunkworkz@lemmy.world
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                                    If I remember correctly they have performance based bonuses

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                                    • T thedudev2@lemmy.ca

                                      Buddy. Take a breath for a moment. I mean this constructively; it’s an opportunity to learn.

                                      What you’ve just said here is essentially this:

                                      1. Some journalists sometimes make errors.
                                      2. Therefore I choose to make an interpretive error.

                                      Please remember, we all make errors (myself included). The best of us learn from them.

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                                      njm1314@lemmy.world
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                                      Not just that but I mean journalism geez. I can’t think of a profession that has had more of a fall from grace in the last 20 years. Furthermore the implication here is video game journalism, which has always been the lowest form of Journalism.

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                                      • appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comA appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                        Go do your own game shop with the feature set of steam.
                                        We have seen how well that was executed with Epic.

                                        I wouldnt even call the GOG implementation bad but it obviously lacks the PR in comparison (+ games like CP2077 are also available on Steam)

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                                        grimy@lemmy.world
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                                        You could defend Amazon with that logic. the fact that the barrier of entry is high is exactly what let’s Steam, Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo abuse of their soft monopoly.

                                        Nothing justifies owning a billion dollars worth of of boats.

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                                          grimy@lemmy.world
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                                          #80

                                          Amazon doesn’t either. Most of the arguments defending Steam can easily apply to every other “bad” company.

                                          The only thing that differentiates steam is their marketing budget targeting small forums and Reddit.

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