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  3. Valve makes almost $50 million per employee, raking in more cash per person than Google, Amazon, or Microsoft — gaming giant's 350 employees on track to generate $17 billion this year

Valve makes almost $50 million per employee, raking in more cash per person than Google, Amazon, or Microsoft — gaming giant's 350 employees on track to generate $17 billion this year

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    ugurcan@lemmy.world
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    Then again, somehow I don’t expect Valve’s expenditures are that high, except download server costs.

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    • F falsewhite@lemmy.world

      I wonder if they’re also getting paid more or does greedy Gabe just take it all to fund his mega yachts.

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      generalemergency@lemmy.world
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      Hey that’s not fair.

      Gabe is also spending all that money on Aston Martins Valkyries to race around the world.

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      • F FishFace

        You are equating “monopoly” with “abusive monopoly.”

        Google got its monopoly in internet search by being better than the competition. It’s still a monopoly, even though it mostly plays by the rules.

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        warm
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        No, Google pays off other browsers to use Google as the default search engine, among many other actual monopolistic practices. Steam does none of that and simply provides a product.

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        • T truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone

          I’m referring to your prior comments and history speaking in communities. The most recent one I remember involved Portal, Half-life, and counterstrike.

          You’re not at Lembot_0005 level comments yet tho, so that’s good.

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          dukemirage@lemmy.world
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          Yes, harassing users without context based on previous comments in other threads is much more valuable for a community. I don’t even remember having contrarian opinions about Portal or Half-Life, they are my favourite series‘.

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          • G gladaed@feddit.org

            Didn’t catch that, thanks. What is their actual profit before personal cost?

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            snooggums
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            #74

            Profit is always after all costs, including personnel.

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            • F FishFace

              You are equating “monopoly” with “abusive monopoly.”

              Google got its monopoly in internet search by being better than the competition. It’s still a monopoly, even though it mostly plays by the rules.

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              Bob Robertson IX
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              #75

              You are equating “monopoly” with “abusive monopoly.”

              No, I’m not. I’m saying they aren’t a monopoly by the simple fact that they aren’t the only providers of the service they sell. And while they are currently in a position to use their power to make themselves a monopoly, they are not doing that and instead are playing fair with their competition.

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                thedudev2@lemmy.ca
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                Buddy. Take a breath for a moment. I mean this constructively; it’s an opportunity to learn.

                What you’ve just said here is essentially this:

                1. Some journalists sometimes make errors.
                2. Therefore I choose to make an interpretive error.

                Please remember, we all make errors (myself included). The best of us learn from them.

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                • N nyctre@lemmy.world

                  Doubt it. But, for what it’s worth, last I heard, valve was one of the most sought after employers in the business. Apparently the salaries are generous and you get to work on whatever you want, not on what a manager tells you to.

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                  skunkworkz@lemmy.world
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                  #77

                  If I remember correctly they have performance based bonuses

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                  • T thedudev2@lemmy.ca

                    Buddy. Take a breath for a moment. I mean this constructively; it’s an opportunity to learn.

                    What you’ve just said here is essentially this:

                    1. Some journalists sometimes make errors.
                    2. Therefore I choose to make an interpretive error.

                    Please remember, we all make errors (myself included). The best of us learn from them.

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                    njm1314@lemmy.world
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                    #78

                    Not just that but I mean journalism geez. I can’t think of a profession that has had more of a fall from grace in the last 20 years. Furthermore the implication here is video game journalism, which has always been the lowest form of Journalism.

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                    • appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comA appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                      Go do your own game shop with the feature set of steam.
                      We have seen how well that was executed with Epic.

                      I wouldnt even call the GOG implementation bad but it obviously lacks the PR in comparison (+ games like CP2077 are also available on Steam)

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                      grimy@lemmy.world
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                      #79

                      You could defend Amazon with that logic. the fact that the barrier of entry is high is exactly what let’s Steam, Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo abuse of their soft monopoly.

                      Nothing justifies owning a billion dollars worth of of boats.

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                        grimy@lemmy.world
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                        #80

                        Amazon doesn’t either. Most of the arguments defending Steam can easily apply to every other “bad” company.

                        The only thing that differentiates steam is their marketing budget targeting small forums and Reddit.

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                        • Z zorque@lemmy.world

                          Again, implying gross profit, not net. It didn’t say “makes” 50 million profit. You are inferring something that is not otherwise implied.

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                          skeptomatic@lemmy.ca
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                          Nah he’s right. Nobody buys a widget for 5 bucks and sells it for 10 bucks and says, “I made 10 bucks”. By your rational I could buy a car new for 25 grand, sell it 10 years later for 12 grand and say I “made” 12 grand off it.
                          “Make” has typically implied profit for as long as I can remember.

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                          • TheTechnician27T TheTechnician27

                            That tends to happen when you have a monopoly on an industry where you get 30% of the revenue from other people’s hard work.

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                            zippy
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                            #82

                            I wouldn’t describe it as a “monopoly” per say. I’d describe it as “all of the competition is filled with idiots”:

                            newell competition shooting themselves in the foot

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                            • G grimy@lemmy.world

                              Amazon doesn’t either. Most of the arguments defending Steam can easily apply to every other “bad” company.

                              The only thing that differentiates steam is their marketing budget targeting small forums and Reddit.

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                              warm
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                              #83

                              I never mentioned Amazon, but it’s really no comparison, even the FTC in the USA has filed suits against them for monopolistic and illegal behaviour.

                              Ive never seen an advert for Steam myself, outside of on their own platform or a video on their own YouTube channel. They sell largely through word of mouth. I suppose recently they offered journalists to visit their HQ to show off their new hardware.

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                              • N njm1314@lemmy.world

                                It’s not misleading, you’ve just purposely ignored the meaning of the words to instead imply your own.

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                                hzl
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                                #84

                                Is this fun for you?

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                                • U ugurcan@lemmy.world

                                  Then again, somehow I don’t expect Valve’s expenditures are that high, except download server costs.

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                                  crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub
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                                  People are the biggest cost for sure. Then servers probably.

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                                    grimy@lemmy.world
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                                    #86

                                    Valve has lawsuits in the work, although not from the FTC. The fact is Valve is just slightly above the other companies, but it’s a very low bar and that doesn’t negate their very real effect on the industry.

                                    I bring up Amazon because your arguments apply to them. If I told you Bezos deserves all his wealth because he has a better platform then his competitors (all three of them) and offers an easy to use website with cheap delivery, you would probably call me a bootlicker.

                                    All billionaires and their profit making machines are bad, no exceptions imo.

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                                      I Cast Fist
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                                      The business hive mind cannot comprehend a company making so much money without shareholders demanding line go up every hour

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                                        majorasterriblefate@lemmy.zip
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                                        I “make” my gross pay. I don’t really talk about “making” my net pay. I don’t much think about my net pay, outside of actual budgeting.

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                                        • G grimy@lemmy.world

                                          Valve has lawsuits in the work, although not from the FTC. The fact is Valve is just slightly above the other companies, but it’s a very low bar and that doesn’t negate their very real effect on the industry.

                                          I bring up Amazon because your arguments apply to them. If I told you Bezos deserves all his wealth because he has a better platform then his competitors (all three of them) and offers an easy to use website with cheap delivery, you would probably call me a bootlicker.

                                          All billionaires and their profit making machines are bad, no exceptions imo.

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                                          alsimoneau@lemmy.ca
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                                          Valve employees aren’t pissing in bottles. Amazon also does a bunch of shitty things on their marketplace (Amazon basics) and killed all the competition.

                                          There’s a huge difference in ethics here.

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