…extremely well? Can you provide an example of the contrary?

Can you provide evidence of it working extremely well?

This is my response, how often do companies acquiesce to consumer pressure in any meaningful way? This is like asking to prove a negative

Every time ever? How about Disney getting mass subscription cancellations after canning Kimmy Kimmel?

They can’t sell shit that people don’t buy.

Length matters on most cables, USB, FireWire, HDMI, DisplayPort, etc. The question here is if all of the features translate properly. Not all passive adapters are equally capable, and this is true for a few standards/cable types.

How does a subscription compare to TV purchases? How does that one instance of politically driven consumer action equate to “every time ever”? Have you heard of Nestlé? People have boycott them forever and they still exist. Why?

How does a subscription compare to TV purchases?

How does it not? It’s a withheld purchase (AKA “voting with your wallet”)

How does that one instance of politically driven consumer action equate to “every time ever”?

It doesn’t and wasn’t supposed to. The last part did.

Have you heard of Nestlé? People have boycott them forever and they still exist.

They obviously don’t or they wouldn’t exist.

As to other reply: what times has vote with your wallet truly worked? Especially in terms of anti consumer decisions and not just culture war bullshit where the sales trends are almost always temporary and linked to collective groups that apply pressure onto retailers.

People educating themselves doesn’t happen, is the point. People don’t want to do this about every fucking thing. You’re on lemmy. You’re a fucking nerd. I’m not disparaging you, I’m here too. I like researching my product purchases and I get angry about this shit. But my partner? My parents? My neighbors? My siblings? Most of the people I work with? They don’t give a fuck. They don’t want to be bothered. They want to just buy a tv and watch it. We are the minority.

This pipe dream that an overwhelming majority of consumers will suddenly become extremely conscious and educated is, at best, misguided. So let’s say you set up the framework for it: it’s already mostly there, obviously, since you and I can find this info. But then you need to address why most people don’t care. Education? Resources? Other systemic issues? Good luck doing that on a timeline that isn’t generational. In the meantime big tech tightens their stranglehold significantly on the systems that control the majority of the fucking world.

I have seen how regulatory oversight can work. It’s a fight and a battle to keep it working, of course, with constant attacks. That’s why regulatory states that have seen some success, like the EU, are failing, and others that are seeing increasing success, like China, are demonized continually even though they are quickly outranking the USA in almost every major quality of life metric

TV OEMs are apparently part of the HDMI forum and therefore complicit.

We need EU regulation if we want to have this.

Both HDMI and display port are at their core, data cables. As long as the noise is low enough to maintain bandwidth, it’ll be fine. The cables them selves don’t have any intelligence to determine one feature over another.

That makes this situation/discussion really strange then.

Because if an adapter from DP to HDMI fixed this driver issue, Valve would know and would just include an adapter in the box. Right? There wouldn’t be these statements from Valve without mentioning the obvious solution?

I’m not sure we are on the same page about what the core issue is with suggesting an adapter will address concerns over HDMI 2.1 and 2.2 features on Linux/Steam Machines.

They obviously don’t or they wouldn’t exist.

Got it, so in your case, if it applies to your argument, it’s possible and works “every time ever”, and if it goes against your argument, it doesn’t exist and no one is boycotting.

You are not arguing in good faith, and only want to be right in this instance.

I’m sure you’ve never bought a display, GPU, or computer with HDMI, and I’m sure you’ve advocated for your friends and family to stop buying anything with HDMI certification. Right?

A lot of my friends have said they prefer girth, fwiw.

Jokes aside, that’s a good point. HDMI/DisplayPort, like USB, pass digital signals over many small cables in a bundle. With how much data uncompressed high res images consist of, I doubt there’s a lot of redundancy or parity the way there may be for Cat6 cable using TCP. At a certain point, without a powered repeater cable, the image will probably not work (or not reliably). Idk if that would appear as “no signal” or dropped frames, though.

Passive adapters don’t have much power to work with for signal processing… Idk how different the image signals themselves are between HDMI and DisplayPort, but I know from working with EDIDs that there’s many optional modes and features for both, like multiple audio/videos streams (3d video, surround sound, hdmi arc), different colorspaces, HDR and VRR. I’d be surprised if any passive HDMI-to-DP adapter supports more than the most common modes and features.

It makes sense to start a PR war over it, trying to fix HDMIs open source policy.

You’re saying “'Abolish all money” is anarcho-capitalist propaganda?" LOL, that’s significantly stupider than anything I ever expected to read. Congratulations.

That’s true, I’m only questioning anyone saying “just use a DP adapter!”

You’re totally missing my point here.

so what you’re saying is we need to make hdmi driver patches to allow direct file saving from video streams?

Well, one of the master keys leaked about 15 years back. A researcher posted a paper back in 2003 or so that outlined a method of finding a master key that was likely used by the people who made the release. It was a fun time to be on the internet, the people came together and said, yeah fuck those corpos and everyone reposted the key to every form of social media possible. I knew someone with the key tattooed on their arm (as part of their piracy themed artwork, I used to have pictures)

Now, that particular master key was patched out with a compatibility breaking upgrade, specifically 2.1 of the standard, which was proven to be broken in 2012, but there was less coming together to share it the second time, or the third for 2.2 of the standard.

But yes, if you wanted to code your own, you easily could. Just don’t share it or the sue happy corpos will come knocking.

It has displayport already, the hdmi concerns are regarding its utility with a television.

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Random clips on the web are DRMed these days, like news articles with an embedded video. Many CMSes just DRM all clips. Totally BS but I’ve seen the video frame staying black on a bunch of sites now.

The signal quality can be flaky. You need a good, short, hdmi “8k” cable for it to work reliably.