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Proposed Alberta separation referendum question approved | Globalnews.ca

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  • streetfestival@lemmy.caS streetfestival@lemmy.ca

    I was curious about how this will pan out, and found this:
    https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2025/11/05/Has-Alberta-Separatism-Gone-Mainstream-Common-Ground/

    About 30 per cent of Albertans support or somewhat support the idea of separation, while most do not. This figure fluctuates but hasn’t changed substantially since 2019.

    The conclusion from our research is clear: the typical Albertan doesn’t want to separate but gets why others do. Supporting separatism isn’t mainstream, though being curious about it is. The bridge between those viewpoints is not a long one.

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    jack_burton@lemmy.ca
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    The real danger is voter apathy, with Albertans figuring there’s no way separation will win based on the high number of sigs on the petition so they don’t bother voting, much like Brexit.

    The last AB referendum showed 38.7% of eligible voters voted. If that number holds the same, and your number of 30% want to separate is correct, it’s over. Every single traitor is going to vote, which could result in a landslide separatist win with 77% of voters voting to separate.

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    • S slartybartfast@sh.itjust.works

      For le sakes du phoque

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      derisionconsulting@lemmy.ca
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      #24

      Unless you care about seals, you are likely looking for something closer to “va faire foutre tes seins”, go fuck your tits.

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      • slothrop@lemmy.caS slothrop@lemmy.ca

        please go.

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        glibg@lemmy.ca
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        #25

        I’m sure the Albertans are aware how well this sort of thing turned out for the UK, right?

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        • G glibg@lemmy.ca

          I’m sure the Albertans are aware how well this sort of thing turned out for the UK, right?

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          slothrop@lemmy.ca
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          …Albertans are aware…

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          • Tlaloc_TemporalT Tlaloc_Temporal

            I’m more worried that they’ll be “aquired” by another nation, and suddenly BC is cut off from the rest of Canada and we have a new unsecured land border with far too much infrastructure.

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            tigeroovy@lemmy.ca
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            Good point.

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            • K kichae@lemmy.ca

              I’d love to see the malcontents just leave. Nothing’s stipping them from moving south like they all seem to want to.

              It’s not like they can just walk off with the land. Most of it is treaty land

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              tigeroovy@lemmy.ca
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              #28

              That would be ideal.

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              • P phanto@lemmy.ca

                I’m kind of in favor of throwing every one of the traitors over the southern border by the seat of their useless pants.

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                washedupcynic@lemmy.ca
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                #29

                Please no. Those of us that aren’t right wing shit stains are doing everything they can to reign in the MAGA bullshit here in the USA. We don’t need more MAGA trash. How about putting them on a rocket to mars?

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                • A archangel1313@lemmy.ca

                  If they want to become Americans so bad, they can always move South and apply for citizenship.

                  What they can’t do, is take the land with them.

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                  etterra@discuss.online
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                  #30

                  Way, WAY South into an already deeply red state where they can’t do any more damage to our painfully dying country, please.

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                  • slothrop@lemmy.caS slothrop@lemmy.ca

                    please go.

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                    radiofreebc@lemmy.world
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                    What money are they going to use? How could this end up any other way than Alberta becoming Nigeria North? If they think Daddy Trump is going to save them, i have a handful of bankrupt casinos to sell them.

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                    • D dermanus@lemmy.ca

                      Do it. And then when it gets, at most, 30% of the vote you’ll have shot your wad and no one will give a shit about it for another generation. At least with Québec it’ll be closer to 50%.

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                      radiofreebc@lemmy.world
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                      #32

                      If Alberta leaves Canada, they’ll never be allowed to vote for anything, ever again.

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                      • C corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca

                        They don’t get the land. All they get are plane tickets.

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                        radiofreebc@lemmy.world
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                        To CECOT

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                        • slothrop@lemmy.caS slothrop@lemmy.ca

                          please go.

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                          radiofreebc@lemmy.world
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                          What would happen to Canadians, born in Alberta, who live in other parts of Canada?

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                          • K knoxvomica@lemmy.ca

                            I’ve posted about this before, but I’ve been out with coworkers for a beer before and had the exact conversation on the “rest of Canada not caring” point about O&G jobs in Alberta. I’m originally from Ontario so I could chime in on that perspective for them.

                            The conversation was mostly geared towards them thinking the Albertan economy is “floating” the rest of Canada. When I brought up the size of Toronto and Montreal and the industries just in those two cities they brushed it off. So I took a different tactic, I started asking them if they cared about manufacturing jobs in Quebec, or fishery jobs in the maritimes or automotive jobs in Ontario. Unsurprisingly they said they didn’t know / care and that those jobs weren’t as numerous / important as O&G.

                            I ended it with saying, people care about Alberta as much as you care about Ontario, Quebec, BC, the Maritimes which is essentially zilch. I’m not sure if I got through to them but one guy actually said “somehow this seems worse”. I just said “really Alberta doesn’t register in most Canadians radars unless negatively”.

                            They also genuinely couldn’t understand why folks out east or in BC don’t want pipelines or further O&G investment in their provinces.

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                            radiofreebc@lemmy.world
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                            That’s why this whole movement is fucked. The people who back this just think they’re keeping Canada afloat.

                            So what if they are? That’s called “sharing” and Canada is a vast country. The benefits of being Canadian far outweigh the costs to the Province of Alberta.

                            If Alberta was a country, it would be like Nigeria. I’m pretty sure even the most die hard maple MAGAt would ratjer be in present day Alberta than Nigeria.

                            Their bigotry is blinding them to the fact that they would actually become a minority group they despise.

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                            • N Nomecks

                              There is no independant state. The choice is be part of Canada or be part of the US, and I’m not sure what in Trump’s record make people think he would treat Canadians any better than Russia treats Ukranians

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                              radiofreebc@lemmy.world
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                              #36

                              Albertans really need to look closely at Puerto Rico and the CNMI, because that’s their American future. If they think America is going to treat them as equals because they’re white, they’re even dumber than i could have ever imagined.

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                              • J jack_burton@lemmy.ca

                                The real danger is voter apathy, with Albertans figuring there’s no way separation will win based on the high number of sigs on the petition so they don’t bother voting, much like Brexit.

                                The last AB referendum showed 38.7% of eligible voters voted. If that number holds the same, and your number of 30% want to separate is correct, it’s over. Every single traitor is going to vote, which could result in a landslide separatist win with 77% of voters voting to separate.

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                                radiofreebc@lemmy.world
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                                The big thing i’ve found to be problematic in Alberta isn’t apathy, but that young people tend to vote the same way their parents (and grandparents) vote, without actually learning anything about where politicians lean these days.

                                Nobody is doing the research and learning that the Conservatives these days are actually more like Adolf Hitler than Peter Lougheed.

                                I would vote for Peter Lougheed if I could, but i can’t vote for these corporate fascists.

                                I wish older Albertans could see this, but they’re not putting in the work anymore. They have their beds in their assisted care homes and don’t realize they’re the last that will get that.

                                Or, even worse, they get it…and just don’t care.

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                                • C can@sh.itjust.works

                                  It gets more worrying

                                  I would like to hear a firsthand experience on the last point however.

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                                  radiofreebc@lemmy.world
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                                  What is an “Albertan”? Cars have existed longer than Alberta has. We’re all immigrants.

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                                    radiofreebc@lemmy.world
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                                    I know someone who wanted to legally change his name to “Wayne Gretzky” and then run for Premier. He thought most Albertans wouldn’t do the work and figure out he wasn’t actually Wayne Gretzky, and i think he was right.

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                                    • R radiofreebc@lemmy.world

                                      What would happen to Canadians, born in Alberta, who live in other parts of Canada?

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                                      slothrop@lemmy.ca
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                                      Deported to el Salvador and Libya, following the path of maplemaga’s deity.

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                                      • R radiofreebc@lemmy.world

                                        I know someone who wanted to legally change his name to “Wayne Gretzky” and then run for Premier. He thought most Albertans wouldn’t do the work and figure out he wasn’t actually Wayne Gretzky, and i think he was right.

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                                        FaceDeer
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                                        I think that guy you know might also be one of the folks who doesn’t do the work to figure stuff out, unfortunately - we don’t “vote for Premier”, we vote for a local representative and the party that gets the most representatives installs their party leader as Premier. Just like how it’s done with the Prime Minister.

                                        Even if we did, his plan has taken a bit of a hit in the past year. A lot of Albertans have soured greatly on Gretzky given his chumminess with Trump, his statues have been repeatedly vandalized recently. “Maple MAGA” is actually not as popular here as seems to be commonly believed.

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                                        • R radiofreebc@lemmy.world

                                          What is an “Albertan”? Cars have existed longer than Alberta has. We’re all immigrants.

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                                          can@sh.itjust.works
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                                          We’re all immigrants.

                                          Most of us anyway.

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