There’s a bit more to it than just their visual organization. In Discord, a user only needs to join a single community to access all of that community’s rooms (they don’t have to manually join each one to have it in their feed).

The admins of that community can then seamlessly create or delete rooms within that community (the users don’t need to do anything for those changes to be seen and applied on their end), and can independently adjust what the base requirements are to view, enter, or interact with each room, and then give an individual granular permissions of what rooms are visible within that community.

Oh yeah that already exists in XMPP, it’s called “Server spaces” and grouping can be done by admin or by room owners, but it’s experimental so there’s no direct way to know what servers or clients are using it or not.

Ventrilo has innate delay and is proprietary.

Mumble is open source and has lowest latency of all the apps.

The problem with decentralised alternatives to Discord isn’t just the set up time.

Me and some of my friend group are pretty technical and we’re willing to jump through all the hoops and difficulties to make our own little cluster of federated self-hosted servers.

The problems start occurring when we actually look at what these open source alternatives are actually capable of. And… Uh… It looks bad. Voice chatting and streaming and text channels on the same client are an absolute must.

Can we all not move to another proprietary paid service again? Good god.

Stoat has been wonderfully simple so far and is free and open source. It’s got voice chat. It’s only been about a week of using it so far so please correct me if I’m wrong or point out issues that I haven’t seen or mentioned.

It seems like the most realistic option to me since I doubt the masses wanna get into self hosting.

There’s also Movim, which doesn’t even require an email, you can join instantly with just a username and password.

Those are extremely negative things for a community platform. Like absurdly negative.

That just means it’s going to be attacked by endless bots, impersonation, and general user confusion.

I legitimately can not think of a single stupider thing for a community platform for normal users.

Discord was originally a replacement for teamspeak/mumble and it’s how most people I actually know still use it. It was “nice” because you didn’t need to set up your own server. Using it as a replacement for irc came later. Image support in chats is nice, but I really only use it for the voip chat rooms.

I don’t know what they’re even doing. TeamSpeak/Mumble is not a replacement for Discord. There’s no separate text channels in addition to the voice ones. It’s just a VOIP program. If you move from Discord to one of those you’re either in addition fundamentally changing your way of thinking or you’re in for disappointment.

For one there’s no “public communities” as with Discord. Here are the biggest servers from mumist.eu:

That may be the case, but in Ventrilo you can page someone “[][][][][][][][][]” and it will go “page from left square bracket right square bracket left square bracket right square bracket left square bracket right square bracket…” This is a major advantage

We’re setting up our own Matrix/Element CE and mulling over the non-technical folks’ fumbling trying to figure it out. Going to have to test a lot. Stoat is promising since it has a familiar UI, but we have a large amount of mobile-only friends.

Not even looking at the non-free stuff. This is the shove we needed to finally move off that type of crap.

Forgot about XMPP until reading earlier comments. Will have to put that on the list.

The topic of the thread is about users migrating away from Discord due to privacy concerns over their ID requirements. If this doesn’t apply to you, what is your purpose commenting? To tell us all that the thing in the OP isn’t actually happening?

Your position is that:

• this can’t happen,
• people can’t leave discord because people are on discord,
• it’s impossible to learn 3 applications,

Therefore nobody would replace Discord with Teamspeak and also use some other chat program (that’s 2 programs! which is nearly as impossible as learning 3 programs!).

You’re posting this opinion in a thread about users migrating to TeamSpeak and calling me the idiot?

That’s certainly an opinion.

Your a fucking delusional idiot.

‘Your’ is the possessive form of you.

You’re is the word you’re looking for, as it is a contraction of ‘you are’ as in ‘you are an idiot’.

I said that the other day and I got back “noone is going to use that windows XP lookin shit.”

XMPP can actually do everything, chat, group video calls, and even screen sharing with the Movim client. It’s a one-stop shop.

tattorack@lemmy.world

Just use fluxer. It literally does all that. It’s basically feature parity with discord.

Other then waiting on them to finish up the native mobile app.

I have seen the conversation around ditching discord come up a few times, but this more recent one was the first time seeing Movim and it seems to have more folks post about it. Is it newer then revolt, rocket, etc?

Older, actually. Its been around since 2010, and is built upon the XMPP protocol, which is from 1999.

Movim has only recently taken the direction of becoming a Discord replacement.

That makes sense. Thanks for the heads up!

One thing that worries me a little about fluxer is this:

Finally, we can offer commercial licences to companies that want to run Fluxer internally without being bound by the AGPLv3 copyleft terms. This is enabled via a contributor-friendly CLA, but it doesn’t create a separate “enterprise edition”. It’s still the same Fluxer software everyone else uses.

• https://blog.fluxer.app/how-i-built-fluxer-a-discord-like-chat-app/

They have a CLA on contributions. So while today Fluxer is licensed as AGPLv3, tomorrow they can pull the rug and change the license, just like everyone else has been doing.