Discord keeps walking into rakes, but TeamSpeak is thriving after 'incredible surge of new users'
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Ventrilo has innate delay and is proprietary.
Mumble is open source and has lowest latency of all the apps.
That may be the case, but in Ventrilo you can page someone “[][][][][][][][][]” and it will go “page from left square bracket right square bracket left square bracket right square bracket left square bracket right square bracket…” This is a major advantage
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The problem with decentralised alternatives to Discord isn’t just the set up time.
Me and some of my friend group are pretty technical and we’re willing to jump through all the hoops and difficulties to make our own little cluster of federated self-hosted servers.
The problems start occurring when we actually look at what these open source alternatives are actually capable of. And… Uh… It looks bad. Voice chatting and streaming and text channels on the same client are an absolute must.
Just use fluxer. It literally does all that. It’s basically feature parity with discord.
Other then waiting on them to finish up the native mobile app.
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Can we all not move to another proprietary paid service again? Good god.
Stoat has been wonderfully simple so far and is free and open source. It’s got voice chat. It’s only been about a week of using it so far so please correct me if I’m wrong or point out issues that I haven’t seen or mentioned.
It seems like the most realistic option to me since I doubt the masses wanna get into self hosting.
Just use fluxer…
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There’s also Movim, which doesn’t even require an email, you can join instantly with just a username and password.
Those are extremely negative things for a community platform. Like absurdly negative.
That just means it’s going to be attacked by endless bots, impersonation, and general user confusion.
I legitimately can not think of a single stupider thing for a community platform for normal users.
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Those are extremely negative things for a community platform. Like absurdly negative.
That just means it’s going to be attacked by endless bots, impersonation, and general user confusion.
I legitimately can not think of a single stupider thing for a community platform for normal users.
Fluxer is doing the same thing, no email signups right now on its homepage.
It’s no different from how lemmy/piefed function. Some instances require email, others don’t. My instance, as an example, doesn’t require an email to sign up, but it does require you to write a short message as to why you’re interested in joining the server, and what communities are appealing to you. This weeds out 99% of bots or spammy users, and the handful that get through that are quickly banned.
Movim currently has so few users that the main server is trying to put as few barriers as possible to adoption, other servers can and do enable the Email requirement.
If it becomes more popular and bots or spam accounts become an issue, they could easily activate the email requirement, or even implement a system similar to what I described above. Instances that don’t take appropriate measures to those threats as they become a problem can just be defederated as they are here. It’s worked out pretty well so far.
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Discord was originally a replacement for teamspeak/mumble and it’s how most people I actually know still use it. It was “nice” because you didn’t need to set up your own server. Using it as a replacement for irc came later. Image support in chats is nice, but I really only use it for the voip chat rooms.
That’s the thing, for me Discord replaced Slack. I never used the voice chat feature of Discord. I had family, friend group, interest group Slack servers to chat, all was eventually moved to Discord.
Meanwhile I still use Mumble for voice chat, Discord never replaced Mumble for me, it was a replacement for chat groups, which I previously used Slack for.
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I don’t know what they’re even doing. TeamSpeak/Mumble is not a replacement for Discord. There’s no separate text channels in addition to the voice ones. It’s just a VOIP program. If you move from Discord to one of those you’re either in addition fundamentally changing your way of thinking or you’re in for disappointment.
For one there’s no “public communities” as with Discord. Here are the biggest servers from mumist.eu:
You’re describing teamspeak 3. It’s on version 6 now and has those features.
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That may be the case, but in Ventrilo you can page someone “[][][][][][][][][]” and it will go “page from left square bracket right square bracket left square bracket right square bracket left square bracket right square bracket…” This is a major advantage
True, Mumble does have text-to-speech, but no Microsoft Sam in a roflcopter that goes soisoisoisoisoisoi
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We’re setting up our own Matrix/Element CE and mulling over the non-technical folks’ fumbling trying to figure it out. Going to have to test a lot. Stoat is promising since it has a familiar UI, but we have a large amount of mobile-only friends.
Not even looking at the non-free stuff. This is the shove we needed to finally move off that type of crap.
Forgot about XMPP until reading earlier comments. Will have to put that on the list.
Matrix is actively user hostile. It’s no fun to use at all.
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The topic of the thread is about users migrating away from Discord due to privacy concerns over their ID requirements. If this doesn’t apply to you, what is your purpose commenting? To tell us all that the thing in the OP isn’t actually happening?
Your position is that:
- this can’t happen,
- people can’t leave discord because people are on discord,
- it’s impossible to learn 3 applications,
Therefore nobody would replace Discord with Teamspeak and also use some other chat program (that’s 2 programs! which is nearly as impossible as learning 3 programs!).
You’re posting this opinion in a thread about users migrating to TeamSpeak and calling me the idiot?
That’s certainly an opinion.
Your a fucking delusional idiot.
‘Your’ is the possessive form of you.
You’re is the word you’re looking for, as it is a contraction of ‘you are’ as in ‘you are an idiot’.
Haha pointing out the wrong use of a possessive tells me everything I need to know about you.
I made fun of you because of your absolutely delusional refusal to acknowledge the extreme barriers to open source options in the current state.
If you weren’t delusional, a logical response would be…
We absolutely have to address these issues if we want widespread adoption of these applications to replace closed source programs.
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I said that the other day and I got back “noone is going to use that windows XP lookin shit.”
Lol, last I used/had vent was playing counter strike 1.6. they have a point.
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XMPP can actually do everything, chat, group video calls, and even screen sharing with the Movim client. It’s a one-stop shop.
I have seen the conversation around ditching discord come up a few times, but this more recent one was the first time seeing Movim and it seems to have more folks post about it. Is it newer then revolt, rocket, etc?
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Just use fluxer. It literally does all that. It’s basically feature parity with discord.
Other then waiting on them to finish up the native mobile app.
I assume they have a web client, how does that do on mobile?
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I have seen the conversation around ditching discord come up a few times, but this more recent one was the first time seeing Movim and it seems to have more folks post about it. Is it newer then revolt, rocket, etc?
Older, actually. Its been around since 2010, and is built upon the XMPP protocol, which is from 1999.
Movim has only recently taken the direction of becoming a Discord replacement.
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Older, actually. Its been around since 2010, and is built upon the XMPP protocol, which is from 1999.
Movim has only recently taken the direction of becoming a Discord replacement.
That makes sense. Thanks for the heads up!
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That makes sense. Thanks for the heads up!
No prob
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One thing that worries me a little about fluxer is this:
Finally, we can offer commercial licences to companies that want to run Fluxer internally without being bound by the AGPLv3 copyleft terms. This is enabled via a contributor-friendly CLA, but it doesn’t create a separate “enterprise edition”. It’s still the same Fluxer software everyone else uses.
They have a CLA on contributions. So while today Fluxer is licensed as AGPLv3, tomorrow they can pull the rug and change the license, just like everyone else has been doing.
Hey, just wanted to give you an update that the Fluxer dev actually agreed to remove the CLA!
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Older, actually. Its been around since 2010, and is built upon the XMPP protocol, which is from 1999.
Movim has only recently taken the direction of becoming a Discord replacement.
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True, Mumble does have text-to-speech, but no Microsoft Sam in a roflcopter that goes soisoisoisoisoisoi
I’ll never forgive Bill Gates for getting rid of Microsoft Sam. Now to take a biiig sip of coffee and look at what he’s been up to since then
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