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Valve invents new Counter-Strike 2 loot boxes that successfully dodge anti-gambling regulations

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  • C crazi_man@europe.pub

    Don’t hate me for asking a question. I don’t endorse loot boxes and do think they suck. But help me understand:

    Isn’t this better than loot boxes?

    You get to see what you’re paying for before you pay. You pay more for rarer items that clearly have very high monetary value and you’re allowed to sell on items for real money of you want.

    Valve also still sticks with a cosmetics only model and no gameplay affecting transactions. Selling cosmetics only is probably the best way to monetise.

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    malix@sopuli.xyz
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    #10

    I don’t play CS, but…

    I dunno, bit better, bit worse, little bit of column a and b. To me this reads like “surprise-fomo-store”: congratulations, you found the rarest of things, good job, now fork over this months rent money, you’ll probably never get this lucky again!

    Sure, you don’t need to pay, but same argument applies to lootboxes in general.

    The prices of these rarer items are just silly. TBH.

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      graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip
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      I’ve been saying for years that valve is an extremely predatory and scummy company but don’t let the gamers hear that. Queue downvotes

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        apotheotic (she/her)
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        #12

        This is pretty disgusting. Just make a normal skin store where people can buy the skins they want at whatever price you(valve) decide they are valued at. No fomo. No gambling.

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        • G graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip

          I’ve been saying for years that valve is an extremely predatory and scummy company but don’t let the gamers hear that. Queue downvotes

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          console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)
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          #13

          Wow look at this bait! So fresh!

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          • P PonyOfWar

            Predatory as hell. Almost impressive how Valve manages to simultaneously be one of the best and one of the worst companies in gaming.

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            redditexcommunicado@lemmy.world
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            #14

            Best of both Worsts.

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            • B console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)

              Wow look at this bait! So fresh!

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              graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip
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              #15

              Not bait. I’m just morally opposed to the normalization and encouragement of gambling especially for underaged populations but really for anyone.

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              • G graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip

                Not bait. I’m just morally opposed to the normalization and encouragement of gambling especially for underaged populations but really for anyone.

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                console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)
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                #16

                Its PEGI 18

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                • B console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)

                  Its PEGI 18

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                  graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip
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                  #17

                  That means nothing?

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                  • G graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip

                    That means nothing?

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                    console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)
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                    #18

                    Its a parenting skill issue.

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                    • B console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)

                      Its a parenting skill issue.

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                      graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip
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                      #19

                      Addiction is a disease. No amount of parenting can prevent it. You know what could? Regulating corporations 🙂

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                      • G graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip

                        I’ve been saying for years that valve is an extremely predatory and scummy company but don’t let the gamers hear that. Queue downvotes

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                        KT-TOT
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                        The fact that the skins don’t affect gameplay is really nice, but you can’t ignore that the lootbox system is just a slot machine and that they allow skins to be gambled on the web.

                        Also their moderation is fucking awful

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                        • G graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip

                          I’ve been saying for years that valve is an extremely predatory and scummy company but don’t let the gamers hear that. Queue downvotes

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                          onslaught545@lemmy.zip
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                          I mean, this is just cosmetic stuff and you can see what you’re getting before you buy, plus you can sell the stuff for real world money. This is the least scummy way to do it.

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                          • FeydaikinF Feydaikin

                            Just goes to show the dire state the rest of the industry is in.

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                            marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                            #22

                            They shot themselves in the foot in my opinion. I just won’t play video games that have that gambling aspect to them. I already spend enough on trading cards for that thrill

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                            • C crazi_man@europe.pub

                              Don’t hate me for asking a question. I don’t endorse loot boxes and do think they suck. But help me understand:

                              Isn’t this better than loot boxes?

                              You get to see what you’re paying for before you pay. You pay more for rarer items that clearly have very high monetary value and you’re allowed to sell on items for real money of you want.

                              Valve also still sticks with a cosmetics only model and no gameplay affecting transactions. Selling cosmetics only is probably the best way to monetise.

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                              Luffy
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                              #23

                              You get to see what you’re paying for before you pay.

                              Yes, for the first box. The box after is not shown. So its basically just „hey, if I open this Box, it could very well be that the next box will be a legendary knife”

                              So you are just betting for what comes after that

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                              • G graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip

                                Addiction is a disease. No amount of parenting can prevent it. You know what could? Regulating corporations 🙂

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                                ricorodriguez42@lemmy.world
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                                #24

                                Exactly! They should start by banning porn games. Then lgbtq games that corrupts our children. Then any political opposition. Only then will we live in a free and safe society. /s

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                                • R ricorodriguez42@lemmy.world

                                  Exactly! They should start by banning porn games. Then lgbtq games that corrupts our children. Then any political opposition. Only then will we live in a free and safe society. /s

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                                  graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip
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                                  #25

                                  Porn and lgbtq games are not the same as gambling. You’ve used a false equivalency fallacy

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                                  • O onslaught545@lemmy.zip

                                    I mean, this is just cosmetic stuff and you can see what you’re getting before you buy, plus you can sell the stuff for real world money. This is the least scummy way to do it.

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                                    graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip
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                                    #26

                                    It’s just cosmetics is the excuse companies have given since the very first days of horse armor and look at where we are now…

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                                      jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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                                      Who is buying these skins. I feel like such an alien sometimes. I just can’t understand wanting to spend any money at all on a cosmetic skin

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                                      • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

                                        Who is buying these skins. I feel like such an alien sometimes. I just can’t understand wanting to spend any money at all on a cosmetic skin

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                                        wrote on last edited by kolanaki@pawb.social
                                        #28

                                        Before this shit existed (like back when the hottest shit was Quake), I thought it might be cool to get a professionally made skin everyone in the game could see for like $0.25-$0.50. A dollar, at most.

                                        The first iteration of a system that could have potentially made that a reality, the things you’d actually wanna buy were $25-50. Like who the fuck workshopped these ridiculous prices?

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                                        • C crazi_man@europe.pub

                                          Don’t hate me for asking a question. I don’t endorse loot boxes and do think they suck. But help me understand:

                                          Isn’t this better than loot boxes?

                                          You get to see what you’re paying for before you pay. You pay more for rarer items that clearly have very high monetary value and you’re allowed to sell on items for real money of you want.

                                          Valve also still sticks with a cosmetics only model and no gameplay affecting transactions. Selling cosmetics only is probably the best way to monetise.

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                                          phoenix3875@lemmy.world
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                                          #29

                                          Previously, loot box’s gain is a probability distribution over (market price - fixed box price). Now it’s (market price - rarity price according to Valve).

                                          I think in the end the market will take the Valve price (fixed or with rarity) into account since it’s known and the same to everyone. Then it’s again just playing against the probability distribution of items.

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