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Valve invents new Counter-Strike 2 loot boxes that successfully dodge anti-gambling regulations

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  • B console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)

    Its PEGI 18

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    graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip
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    #17

    That means nothing?

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    • G graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip

      That means nothing?

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      console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)
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      #18

      Its a parenting skill issue.

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      • B console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)

        Its a parenting skill issue.

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        graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip
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        #19

        Addiction is a disease. No amount of parenting can prevent it. You know what could? Regulating corporations 🙂

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        • G graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip

          I’ve been saying for years that valve is an extremely predatory and scummy company but don’t let the gamers hear that. Queue downvotes

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          KT-TOT
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          #20

          The fact that the skins don’t affect gameplay is really nice, but you can’t ignore that the lootbox system is just a slot machine and that they allow skins to be gambled on the web.

          Also their moderation is fucking awful

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          • G graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip

            I’ve been saying for years that valve is an extremely predatory and scummy company but don’t let the gamers hear that. Queue downvotes

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            onslaught545@lemmy.zip
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            #21

            I mean, this is just cosmetic stuff and you can see what you’re getting before you buy, plus you can sell the stuff for real world money. This is the least scummy way to do it.

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            • FeydaikinF Feydaikin

              Just goes to show the dire state the rest of the industry is in.

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              marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              #22

              They shot themselves in the foot in my opinion. I just won’t play video games that have that gambling aspect to them. I already spend enough on trading cards for that thrill

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              • C crazi_man@europe.pub

                Don’t hate me for asking a question. I don’t endorse loot boxes and do think they suck. But help me understand:

                Isn’t this better than loot boxes?

                You get to see what you’re paying for before you pay. You pay more for rarer items that clearly have very high monetary value and you’re allowed to sell on items for real money of you want.

                Valve also still sticks with a cosmetics only model and no gameplay affecting transactions. Selling cosmetics only is probably the best way to monetise.

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                Luffy
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                #23

                You get to see what you’re paying for before you pay.

                Yes, for the first box. The box after is not shown. So its basically just „hey, if I open this Box, it could very well be that the next box will be a legendary knife”

                So you are just betting for what comes after that

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                • G graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip

                  Addiction is a disease. No amount of parenting can prevent it. You know what could? Regulating corporations 🙂

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                  ricorodriguez42@lemmy.world
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                  #24

                  Exactly! They should start by banning porn games. Then lgbtq games that corrupts our children. Then any political opposition. Only then will we live in a free and safe society. /s

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                  • R ricorodriguez42@lemmy.world

                    Exactly! They should start by banning porn games. Then lgbtq games that corrupts our children. Then any political opposition. Only then will we live in a free and safe society. /s

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                    graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip
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                    #25

                    Porn and lgbtq games are not the same as gambling. You’ve used a false equivalency fallacy

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                    • O onslaught545@lemmy.zip

                      I mean, this is just cosmetic stuff and you can see what you’re getting before you buy, plus you can sell the stuff for real world money. This is the least scummy way to do it.

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                      graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip
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                      It’s just cosmetics is the excuse companies have given since the very first days of horse armor and look at where we are now…

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                        jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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                        #27

                        Who is buying these skins. I feel like such an alien sometimes. I just can’t understand wanting to spend any money at all on a cosmetic skin

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                        • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

                          Who is buying these skins. I feel like such an alien sometimes. I just can’t understand wanting to spend any money at all on a cosmetic skin

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                          wrote on last edited by kolanaki@pawb.social
                          #28

                          Before this shit existed (like back when the hottest shit was Quake), I thought it might be cool to get a professionally made skin everyone in the game could see for like $0.25-$0.50. A dollar, at most.

                          The first iteration of a system that could have potentially made that a reality, the things you’d actually wanna buy were $25-50. Like who the fuck workshopped these ridiculous prices?

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                          • C crazi_man@europe.pub

                            Don’t hate me for asking a question. I don’t endorse loot boxes and do think they suck. But help me understand:

                            Isn’t this better than loot boxes?

                            You get to see what you’re paying for before you pay. You pay more for rarer items that clearly have very high monetary value and you’re allowed to sell on items for real money of you want.

                            Valve also still sticks with a cosmetics only model and no gameplay affecting transactions. Selling cosmetics only is probably the best way to monetise.

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                            phoenix3875@lemmy.world
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                            #29

                            Previously, loot box’s gain is a probability distribution over (market price - fixed box price). Now it’s (market price - rarity price according to Valve).

                            I think in the end the market will take the Valve price (fixed or with rarity) into account since it’s known and the same to everyone. Then it’s again just playing against the probability distribution of items.

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                            • C crazi_man@europe.pub

                              Don’t hate me for asking a question. I don’t endorse loot boxes and do think they suck. But help me understand:

                              Isn’t this better than loot boxes?

                              You get to see what you’re paying for before you pay. You pay more for rarer items that clearly have very high monetary value and you’re allowed to sell on items for real money of you want.

                              Valve also still sticks with a cosmetics only model and no gameplay affecting transactions. Selling cosmetics only is probably the best way to monetise.

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                              #30

                              and you’re allowed to sell on items for real money of you want.

                              Just to be real: You can sell them for Steam Wallet funds, which is not “real money” since it can only be used on Steam.

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                                workerone@lemmy.world
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                                I think being able to see the item and having the option to purchase is much better than opening a random box that you have no idea what you’ll get.

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                                  thundercomplex@lemmy.today
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                                  Oh so it’s loot boxes mixed with a limited time store multiplied by FOMO. Very cool.

                                  Not!

                                  Also: “At what point do they become macro transactions?” IMO at $2. That’s the micro/macro cutoff for me.

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                                  • L Luffy

                                    You get to see what you’re paying for before you pay.

                                    Yes, for the first box. The box after is not shown. So its basically just „hey, if I open this Box, it could very well be that the next box will be a legendary knife”

                                    So you are just betting for what comes after that

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                                    koalaunknown@lemmy.world
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                                    The new case doesn’t have legendaries.

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                                      and you’re allowed to sell on items for real money of you want.

                                      Just to be real: You can sell them for Steam Wallet funds, which is not “real money” since it can only be used on Steam.

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                                      koalaunknown@lemmy.world
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                                      You can sell them on hundreds of third-party marketplaces that let you withdraw to your bank account or crypto wallet.

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                                      • K koalaunknown@lemmy.world

                                        You can sell them on hundreds of third-party marketplaces that let you withdraw to your bank account or crypto wallet.

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                                        #35

                                        You can do that, but you’re not allowed to do that.

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                                        • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

                                          Who is buying these skins. I feel like such an alien sometimes. I just can’t understand wanting to spend any money at all on a cosmetic skin

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                                          koalaunknown@lemmy.world
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                                          I wouldn’t spend money on skins in most games but Counter Strike is different. You can buy a skin, use it for years, and then sell it for more than you paid. In fact, skins are actually a very good investment that have historically had less volatility and better returns than stock indexes like the S&P 500.

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