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When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

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  • IlkaI Ilka

    @randahl and clouds! Besos' dream is to have no more personal computers in households but instead everything in his clouds.

    Imagine this horror & terror coming true.

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    @Ilka4You @randahl

    Permanent and irreplaceable dependency is a rentseeker's wet dream.

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    • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

      When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

      Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

      Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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      @randahl Absolutely! Target the income and the monopolies of the American oligarchs (FB, Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Apple etc).

      If they stop handing billions of $ to the corrupt trump regime, then there is a chance the regime will fall, and democracy may return.

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      • CarstenC Carsten

        @randahl and maybe small action for everyone... Download and share to other social media... Have your kids make a tiktok...

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        @carsten @randahl

        Don't forget Starbucks. Last time I was in UK, and Spain, those were all over the place.

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        • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

          When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

          Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

          Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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          @randahl

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          • martijnM martijn

            @cstross But why is it important that we get instant gratification? Wasn't it "revenge is a dish best served cold"? 😉 @om @randahl

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            @martijn @om @randahl Because Trump doesn't have the memory retention to recognize revenge if it takes more than a single news cycle to materialize! Which means he won't be deterred, so he'll escalate.

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            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

              @martijn @om @randahl Because Trump doesn't have the memory retention to recognize revenge if it takes more than a single news cycle to materialize! Which means he won't be deterred, so he'll escalate.

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              @cstross yeah, ok. fair point. @om @randahl

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              • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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                @randahl

                If Trump is seriously threatened by EU sanctions, especially those sanction effect the tech sector, he has the option of switching Europe off.

                He can switch off at will any European or EU government or agency selectively. He can shut down any company or group of companies.

                Literally, those organisations would switch on their computers and nothing would work. Or he could just shut down access to data. Or flight bookings. Or whatever he and the technokings decide.

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                • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                  When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                  Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                  Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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                  @randahl

                  Amazon, has local warehousing and employs a lot of people in EU so difficult.

                  Reduce purchases as far as possible is my course.

                  I refuse to touch Facebook.

                  Paypal is now offering me 10 Euro bonus if I use it again, nope.

                  I badly want a decent European alternative. Not ripoff merchants Klarna.

                  For purchases in Sweden I was able to get a wise payment accepted by Klensmide.

                  That is the forge of Hans Karlsson one of the best toolsmiths on the planet and absolutely trustworthy.

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                  • George BG George B

                    @randahl @singlepenny

                    @pluralistic has a bunch of suggestions about removing all of the laws protecting devices from being jail broken that the US has bullied pretty much every country into adding to their books as a start

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                    @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny @pluralistic that is naive. The Europeans also have their own copyright lobbies, which are if anything even more rabid than US ones.

                    Just one example: France has a levy on all storage devices, funneled directly into the pockets of copyright collection agency SACEM. Thus the SD card in your digicam or the database drives in your hospital are taxed to fund Nicolas Sarkozy's wife Carla Bruni or Taylor Swift (with a hefty commission taken by the self-dealing scum at SACEM, of course).

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                    • Fazal MajidF Fazal Majid

                      @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny @pluralistic that is naive. The Europeans also have their own copyright lobbies, which are if anything even more rabid than US ones.

                      Just one example: France has a levy on all storage devices, funneled directly into the pockets of copyright collection agency SACEM. Thus the SD card in your digicam or the database drives in your hospital are taxed to fund Nicolas Sarkozy's wife Carla Bruni or Taylor Swift (with a hefty commission taken by the self-dealing scum at SACEM, of course).

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                      @fazalmajid @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny

                      The EU also has a gigantic fossil fuel lobby who entirely and 100% ate shit the minute the Russian gas went away and everyone started shivering in the dark.

                      Having spent years in Brussels (and in Geneva, at WIPO) as EFF's European Director, directly fighting these lobbyists, I think it's entirely plausible that they, too, will have to eat shit the instant that Trump bricks all of Denmark's IT.

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                      • Cory DoctorowP Cory Doctorow

                        @fazalmajid @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny

                        The EU also has a gigantic fossil fuel lobby who entirely and 100% ate shit the minute the Russian gas went away and everyone started shivering in the dark.

                        Having spent years in Brussels (and in Geneva, at WIPO) as EFF's European Director, directly fighting these lobbyists, I think it's entirely plausible that they, too, will have to eat shit the instant that Trump bricks all of Denmark's IT.

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                        @fazalmajid @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny If you think that copyright lobbyists have special powers that make them more able to resist the changes precipitated by existential crises than *oil* lobbyists, well, let's just say I think you're wrong.

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                        • Cory DoctorowP Cory Doctorow

                          @fazalmajid @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny If you think that copyright lobbyists have special powers that make them more able to resist the changes precipitated by existential crises than *oil* lobbyists, well, let's just say I think you're wrong.

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                          @pluralistic @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny well, in the French case, they were literally in bed with the president...

                          I hope you're right, but they have been in the lobbying game for a very long time (Beaumarchais, 1777) and even though entertainment is an economically marginal industry (at one point the Telcos made more from 2 weeks' SMS revenue than Hollywood did in an entire year), the star power means it is also the tail that wags the dog.

                          The fossil fuel lobby has managed to gut the EU 2035 ICE car ban, by the way, even though that guarantees the eventual death of the European car industry. Also, Germany shut down nuclear plants to restart coal-fired ones, so I wouldn't declare victory on that front just yet.

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                          • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                            When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                            Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                            Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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                            @randahl

                            https://m.youtube.com/shorts/2y08mTiWOkU

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                            • RegR Reg

                              @Ilka4You @randahl

                              Permanent and irreplaceable dependency is a rentseeker's wet dream.

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                              @ReggieHere every single one of us is responsible for not making this wet dream come true. We would create a 1984 / Matrix dystopia mash up. @randahl

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                              • CarstenC Carsten

                                @randahl and maybe small action for everyone... Download and share to other social media... Have your kids make a tiktok...

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                                @carsten @randahl
                                Shouldn't be a problem - haven't eaten there in years.

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                                • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                                  When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                                  Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                                  Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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                                  @randahl Not tarrifs: appropriate taxation, that is not removed later in some stupid capitulation

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                                  • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                                    When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                                    Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                                    Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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                                    @randahl The Danes could simply decide to not sell the USA any more Ozempic (or reduce it by 90%, leaving legitimate medical need untouched - same for all the insulin they sell to the USA).
                                    See how loudly people start screaming to the government for their GLP-1

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                                    • CarstenC Carsten

                                      @randahl and maybe small action for everyone... Download and share to other social media... Have your kids make a tiktok...

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                                      @carsten have been doing it to McDonalds and every other US company (either owned or trademarked, even if through franchises) since November 6th 2024, haven't missed a thing.
                                      @randahl

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                                      • Ray McCarthyR Ray McCarthy

                                        @randahl
                                        Also ESPECIALLY Franchises and physical services such as fastfood, coffee, delivery, rentals, ride hail, Hilton etc. These are parasites. They underpay, use fake royalties and other schemes to export profits without or little tax. They often require a local to rent the premises and put up capital.

                                        Actually BAN the stupid parasites.

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                                        @raymaccarthy until then, EU consumers should simply boycott them all [I'm doing my part, had budgeted around €3.500 to be spent in 2025 on US products and services, ended up spending only €123 because of contracts/subscriptions I couldn't stop until February, after that it dried up and in 2026 I will spend zero).
                                        @randahl

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                                        • ImmigrationIsNotACrimeI ImmigrationIsNotACrime

                                          @randahl

                                          If Trump is seriously threatened by EU sanctions, especially those sanction effect the tech sector, he has the option of switching Europe off.

                                          He can switch off at will any European or EU government or agency selectively. He can shut down any company or group of companies.

                                          Literally, those organisations would switch on their computers and nothing would work. Or he could just shut down access to data. Or flight bookings. Or whatever he and the technokings decide.

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                                          Nicolas Guillou, French ICC judge sanctioned by the US: 'You are effectively blacklisted by much of the world's banking system'

                                          Six judges and three prosecutors at the International Criminal Court have been sanctioned by the Trump administration. In an interview with Le Monde, Guillou discusses the impact of these measures on his work and daily life.

                                          favicon

                                          Le Monde.fr (www.lemonde.fr)

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                                          @iinac @randahl
                                          A simple question is why should Europe sanction American digital services?
                                          The current situation leads every reasonably thinking European citizen to find alternative analog and digital products.
                                          So if these alternatives have a wide user base will evolve and become better, compared to what they are now.
                                          So if people get used to these alternatives, then there is no way back.

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