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When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

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  • RegR Reg

    @sidereal @randahl

    The ban on TikTok is still ongoing and due to be completed by Jan 23rd 2026.

    TikTok is still operational in the United States because it is due to be divested from ByteDance into U.S. control under the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act (2024).

    Since all US social media companies are tools for foreign influence and propaganda, the exact same security concerns apply in Europe.

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    @sidereal @randahl

    For context, Facebook and Cambridge Analytica have already been accused of micro-targeting UK Facebook users ahead of the 2016 Brexit referendum, and more recently Xitter has been accused of amplifying far-right posts in Europe.

    Little Tommeh fascist-Christian is just one of the far-right figures who are getting very agitated about the possibility of a crackdown on US social media.

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    • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

      When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

      Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

      Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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      @randahl The only retaliation that would hurt is to tax profit and dividends transfered abroad. Tax on revenue or imports are forwarded to consumers that need the services.

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      • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

        When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

        Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

        Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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        @randahl Before you think about that, think about DNS.

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        • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

          When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

          Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

          Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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          @randahl Hit those Zuckerbergs... i love it!

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          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

            @om @randahl That's valid, too, but it's not an instant solution. (EU corps can't just throw a switch and offer a no-DRM-on-this-tractor-engine product: there are massive startup/R&D costs). Whereas tariffs on use of US big tech *is* a fast smackdown (although there's a secondary chilling effect on the EU companies paying for them).

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            @cstross But why is it important that we get instant gratification? Wasn't it "revenge is a dish best served cold"? 😉 @om @randahl

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            • IlkaI Ilka

              @randahl and clouds! Besos' dream is to have no more personal computers in households but instead everything in his clouds.

              Imagine this horror & terror coming true.

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              @Ilka4You @randahl

              Permanent and irreplaceable dependency is a rentseeker's wet dream.

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              • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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                @randahl Absolutely! Target the income and the monopolies of the American oligarchs (FB, Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Apple etc).

                If they stop handing billions of $ to the corrupt trump regime, then there is a chance the regime will fall, and democracy may return.

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                • CarstenC Carsten

                  @randahl and maybe small action for everyone... Download and share to other social media... Have your kids make a tiktok...

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                  @carsten @randahl

                  Don't forget Starbucks. Last time I was in UK, and Spain, those were all over the place.

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                  • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                    When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                    Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                    Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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                    @randahl

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                    • martijnM martijn

                      @cstross But why is it important that we get instant gratification? Wasn't it "revenge is a dish best served cold"? 😉 @om @randahl

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                      @martijn @om @randahl Because Trump doesn't have the memory retention to recognize revenge if it takes more than a single news cycle to materialize! Which means he won't be deterred, so he'll escalate.

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                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                        @martijn @om @randahl Because Trump doesn't have the memory retention to recognize revenge if it takes more than a single news cycle to materialize! Which means he won't be deterred, so he'll escalate.

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                        @cstross yeah, ok. fair point. @om @randahl

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                        • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                          When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                          Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                          Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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                          @randahl

                          If Trump is seriously threatened by EU sanctions, especially those sanction effect the tech sector, he has the option of switching Europe off.

                          He can switch off at will any European or EU government or agency selectively. He can shut down any company or group of companies.

                          Literally, those organisations would switch on their computers and nothing would work. Or he could just shut down access to data. Or flight bookings. Or whatever he and the technokings decide.

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                          • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                            When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                            Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                            Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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                            Kerplunk
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                            @randahl

                            Amazon, has local warehousing and employs a lot of people in EU so difficult.

                            Reduce purchases as far as possible is my course.

                            I refuse to touch Facebook.

                            Paypal is now offering me 10 Euro bonus if I use it again, nope.

                            I badly want a decent European alternative. Not ripoff merchants Klarna.

                            For purchases in Sweden I was able to get a wise payment accepted by Klensmide.

                            That is the forge of Hans Karlsson one of the best toolsmiths on the planet and absolutely trustworthy.

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                            • George BG George B

                              @randahl @singlepenny

                              @pluralistic has a bunch of suggestions about removing all of the laws protecting devices from being jail broken that the US has bullied pretty much every country into adding to their books as a start

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                              @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny @pluralistic that is naive. The Europeans also have their own copyright lobbies, which are if anything even more rabid than US ones.

                              Just one example: France has a levy on all storage devices, funneled directly into the pockets of copyright collection agency SACEM. Thus the SD card in your digicam or the database drives in your hospital are taxed to fund Nicolas Sarkozy's wife Carla Bruni or Taylor Swift (with a hefty commission taken by the self-dealing scum at SACEM, of course).

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                              • Fazal MajidF Fazal Majid

                                @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny @pluralistic that is naive. The Europeans also have their own copyright lobbies, which are if anything even more rabid than US ones.

                                Just one example: France has a levy on all storage devices, funneled directly into the pockets of copyright collection agency SACEM. Thus the SD card in your digicam or the database drives in your hospital are taxed to fund Nicolas Sarkozy's wife Carla Bruni or Taylor Swift (with a hefty commission taken by the self-dealing scum at SACEM, of course).

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                                @fazalmajid @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny

                                The EU also has a gigantic fossil fuel lobby who entirely and 100% ate shit the minute the Russian gas went away and everyone started shivering in the dark.

                                Having spent years in Brussels (and in Geneva, at WIPO) as EFF's European Director, directly fighting these lobbyists, I think it's entirely plausible that they, too, will have to eat shit the instant that Trump bricks all of Denmark's IT.

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                                • Cory DoctorowP Cory Doctorow

                                  @fazalmajid @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny

                                  The EU also has a gigantic fossil fuel lobby who entirely and 100% ate shit the minute the Russian gas went away and everyone started shivering in the dark.

                                  Having spent years in Brussels (and in Geneva, at WIPO) as EFF's European Director, directly fighting these lobbyists, I think it's entirely plausible that they, too, will have to eat shit the instant that Trump bricks all of Denmark's IT.

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                                  @fazalmajid @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny If you think that copyright lobbyists have special powers that make them more able to resist the changes precipitated by existential crises than *oil* lobbyists, well, let's just say I think you're wrong.

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                                  • Cory DoctorowP Cory Doctorow

                                    @fazalmajid @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny If you think that copyright lobbyists have special powers that make them more able to resist the changes precipitated by existential crises than *oil* lobbyists, well, let's just say I think you're wrong.

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                                    @pluralistic @gbargoud @randahl @singlepenny well, in the French case, they were literally in bed with the president...

                                    I hope you're right, but they have been in the lobbying game for a very long time (Beaumarchais, 1777) and even though entertainment is an economically marginal industry (at one point the Telcos made more from 2 weeks' SMS revenue than Hollywood did in an entire year), the star power means it is also the tail that wags the dog.

                                    The fossil fuel lobby has managed to gut the EU 2035 ICE car ban, by the way, even though that guarantees the eventual death of the European car industry. Also, Germany shut down nuclear plants to restart coal-fired ones, so I wouldn't declare victory on that front just yet.

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                                    • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                                      When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                                      Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                                      Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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                                      @randahl

                                      https://m.youtube.com/shorts/2y08mTiWOkU

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                                      • RegR Reg

                                        @Ilka4You @randahl

                                        Permanent and irreplaceable dependency is a rentseeker's wet dream.

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                                        @ReggieHere every single one of us is responsible for not making this wet dream come true. We would create a 1984 / Matrix dystopia mash up. @randahl

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                                        • CarstenC Carsten

                                          @randahl and maybe small action for everyone... Download and share to other social media... Have your kids make a tiktok...

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                                          @carsten @randahl
                                          Shouldn't be a problem - haven't eaten there in years.

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