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We are excited to share that we are beginning work on a new onboarding experiment for #Mastodon: Default Server Recommendations.

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  • hannah aubryH hannah aubry

    @NatureMC

    Hey! We haven't built the logic for this yet, so thanks for mentioning situations like this so we can make sure to take them into account. Our idea is "correct language" = "the person's preferred language, as determined by their phone's preferences."

    @Mastodon

    Petra van CronenburgN This user is from outside of this forum
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    #28

    @haubles That sounds very good, I didn't know that it's technically possible. Great!

    @Mastodon

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    • MastodonM Mastodon

      If you’re interested in participating in this experiment, please let us know by filling out this form.

      (sorry it’s in Google docs)

      https://forms.gle/7uRui5VnMPfEYAgq8

      5/6

      stux :stux_santa:S This user is from outside of this forum
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      #29

      @Mastodon send!

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      • Sexybiggetje🐖M Sexybiggetje🐖

        @Mastodon @SolSoCoG ?

        SolSoCoGS This user is from outside of this forum
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        wrote last edited by
        #30

        @martijn @Mastodon already filled out when a fellow admin wrote about it 👌

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        • stux :stux_santa:S stux :stux_santa:

          @Mastodon send!

          kryptuxx :unverified:K This user is from outside of this forum
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          #31

          @stux @Mastodon send data?!

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          • hannah aubryH This user is from outside of this forum
            hannah aubryH This user is from outside of this forum
            hannah aubry
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            #32

            @nitrml @colinstu

            This experiment will be for general purpose servers only, but we'll be looking into running other onboarding experiments—including for special interest servers—soon.

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            • MastodonM Mastodon

              We are excited to share that we are beginning work on a new onboarding experiment for #Mastodon: Default Server Recommendations.

              Our intent for this experiment is to recommend the closest server geographically that is in the correct language during the sign-up flow. We will be running this experiment on our iOS and Android apps only to start.

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              TariqR This user is from outside of this forum
              TariqR This user is from outside of this forum
              Tariq
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              #33

              @Mastodon

              you might also wish to ask the user about legal jurisdiction

              the German and similar jurisdictions can be unreasonably and surprisingly problematic

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              • MastodonM Mastodon

                We are excited to share that we are beginning work on a new onboarding experiment for #Mastodon: Default Server Recommendations.

                Our intent for this experiment is to recommend the closest server geographically that is in the correct language during the sign-up flow. We will be running this experiment on our iOS and Android apps only to start.

                1/6

                SunnyS This user is from outside of this forum
                SunnyS This user is from outside of this forum
                Sunny
                wrote last edited by
                #34

                @Mastodon ideally combined with personal interests, right? (as long as there are enough servers to choose from) 😎🌈👩‍💻🌳

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                • Aral BalkanA Aral Balkan

                  @Mastodon This is a link to the server covenant:

                  Link Preview Image
                  Mastodon Server Covenant for joinmastodon.org

                  favicon

                  (joinmastodon.org)

                  One important question – and one we’ve discussed together – is which definition of antisemitism are you going with? I’d appreciate it if you could state the decision you’ve reached on this publicly. Crucially, is it one that conflates opposition to Zionism, Israel, and the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people with being bigoted against Jewish people or not? This is key in knowing whether only Zionist, pro-Israel, pro-genocide Mastodon servers will be featured in recommendations or not.

                  KackfreshP This user is from outside of this forum
                  KackfreshP This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #35

                  @aral

                  I feel like by asking this question you're — inadvertently — legitimizing zionism by implying that the conflation of antisemitism with antizionism is a credible definition of that word.

                  Personally, I assume that antisemitism means antisemitism unless I have reason to believe otherwise.

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                  • Octavia Con Amore :pink_moon_and_stars: Succubard's LibraryO Octavia Con Amore :pink_moon_and_stars: Succubard's Library

                    @Mastodon do you mean entirely open sign-ups (i.e. prone to spam accounts) or accepting sign-ups that get manually approved by a human?

                    hannah aubryH This user is from outside of this forum
                    hannah aubryH This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #36

                    @OctaviaConAmore @Mastodon

                    For this experiment, that is correct. We are looking to partner with servers that have open sign-ups. But we've heard the feedback that spam is going to be a big issue for many servers to participate, so our team is going to discuss what we can do about that next week.

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                    • KackfreshP Kackfresh

                      @aral

                      I feel like by asking this question you're — inadvertently — legitimizing zionism by implying that the conflation of antisemitism with antizionism is a credible definition of that word.

                      Personally, I assume that antisemitism means antisemitism unless I have reason to believe otherwise.

                      Aral BalkanA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #37

                      @potatoes_fall It’s not a credible definition of the word but it is a *legally accepted* one in certain jurisdictions and it is essential that we know what is meant – in this specific context – by a term that is so widely and so willfully misunderstood so we understand what exactly the effects of this initiative will be and whether we should be in support of it or in opposition to it.

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                      • SunnyS Sunny

                        @Mastodon ideally combined with personal interests, right? (as long as there are enough servers to choose from) 😎🌈👩‍💻🌳

                        hannah aubryH This user is from outside of this forum
                        hannah aubryH This user is from outside of this forum
                        hannah aubry
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                        #38

                        @sunnythesheep @Mastodon for this experiment we are looking to partner with general-purpose servers. But this is just one experiment, not the only experiment! We’ll be looking at how we can help with special-interest server discovery soon.

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                        • MastodonM Mastodon

                          The Default Server Recommendations experiment is a first step in reimagining how Mastodon onboarding & server discovery work.

                          Our team’s intent is to work with the community to build new onboarding pathways that support the entire network.

                          We can’t wait to get started 💜

                          6/6

                          SamS This user is from outside of this forum
                          SamS This user is from outside of this forum
                          Sam
                          wrote last edited by
                          #39

                          @Mastodon It's amazing seeing these sorts of things play out across the Fediverse. Making sure we make a better internet that is centered around Privacy and staying decentralized for all.

                          Keep up the good work and can't wait to see where we all are in several years to come.

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                          • TariqR Tariq

                            @Mastodon

                            you might also wish to ask the user about legal jurisdiction

                            the German and similar jurisdictions can be unreasonably and surprisingly problematic

                            FeyterF This user is from outside of this forum
                            FeyterF This user is from outside of this forum
                            Feyter
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                            #40

                            @rzeta0 @Mastodon What do you mean? The idea would be to give people a server that is in the area they are living. If you live in Germany you have apply to it's legal jurisdiction.

                            But I don't really see how German law is particular more / less problematic when choosing a mastodon server.

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                            • MastodonM Mastodon

                              We are excited to share that we are beginning work on a new onboarding experiment for #Mastodon: Default Server Recommendations.

                              Our intent for this experiment is to recommend the closest server geographically that is in the correct language during the sign-up flow. We will be running this experiment on our iOS and Android apps only to start.

                              1/6

                              FinchHaven sfbaF This user is from outside of this forum
                              FinchHaven sfbaF This user is from outside of this forum
                              FinchHaven sfba
                              wrote last edited by
                              #41

                              @Mastodon

                              "We will be running this experiment on our iOS and Android apps only to start."

                              And here is the core symptom of the core problem itself:

                              You're pointing the question and its solution right back at the Deathstar Mothership itself: @Mastodon dot Social

                              Sort of a recursive, self-fulfilling loop, no?

                              But not the least bit surprising

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                              • Mastodon Belgium AdminA Mastodon Belgium Admin

                                @Mastodon
                                Interesting experiment!
                                Before I fill in the form:
                                Is there anything in particular that should be done or followed-up server/admin side for this?

                                hannah aubryH This user is from outside of this forum
                                hannah aubryH This user is from outside of this forum
                                hannah aubry
                                wrote last edited by
                                #42

                                @admin @Mastodon hey! The only thing to do for now is make sure you’re meeting these eligibility requirements:

                                - Run default Mastodon (for now)
                                - Agree to the Server Covenant
                                - Have existed for 1+ year
                                - Have shut-down & disaster plans

                                Besides that, stay tuned!

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                                • Aral BalkanA Aral Balkan

                                  @potatoes_fall It’s not a credible definition of the word but it is a *legally accepted* one in certain jurisdictions and it is essential that we know what is meant – in this specific context – by a term that is so widely and so willfully misunderstood so we understand what exactly the effects of this initiative will be and whether we should be in support of it or in opposition to it.

                                  TariqR This user is from outside of this forum
                                  TariqR This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Tariq
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #43

                                  @aral @potatoes_fall

                                  Yes 100%, this issue has been troublesome in reality, not just theoretically

                                  I wonder if users should be prompted so they are placed in a suitable jurisdiction?

                                  And majority of users would be unaware of this issue, so a positive outcome is them becoming aware.

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                                  • Aral BalkanA Aral Balkan

                                    @potatoes_fall It’s not a credible definition of the word but it is a *legally accepted* one in certain jurisdictions and it is essential that we know what is meant – in this specific context – by a term that is so widely and so willfully misunderstood so we understand what exactly the effects of this initiative will be and whether we should be in support of it or in opposition to it.

                                    Aral BalkanA This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Aral BalkanA This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Aral Balkan
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                                    #44

                                    @potatoes_fall Also see this follow-up: https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/115989944734933868

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                                    • MastodonM Mastodon

                                      Starting now, we’re recruiting general purpose servers with open sign-ups. To be eligible, servers must:

                                      - Run default Mastodon (for now)
                                      - Agree to the Server Covenant
                                      - Have existed for 1+ year
                                      - Have shut-down & disaster plans

                                      4/6

                                      SunnyS This user is from outside of this forum
                                      SunnyS This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Sunny
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #45

                                      @mainz_sozial_digital @system @allmaechd @nrw.social @bawue.social @berlin.social @norden.social @sueden.social @bonndigital

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                                      • MastodonM Mastodon

                                        If you’re interested in participating in this experiment, please let us know by filling out this form.

                                        (sorry it’s in Google docs)

                                        https://forms.gle/7uRui5VnMPfEYAgq8

                                        5/6

                                        Kiloku - Secretário do CaosK This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Kiloku - Secretário do CaosK This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Kiloku - Secretário do Caos
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #46

                                        @Mastodon we could deal with the form being on Google, but it requires a Google account to fill it, which our instance admin doesn't have. I'm pretty sure this is configurable

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                                        • Aral BalkanA Aral Balkan

                                          @Mastodon This is a link to the server covenant:

                                          Link Preview Image
                                          Mastodon Server Covenant for joinmastodon.org

                                          favicon

                                          (joinmastodon.org)

                                          One important question – and one we’ve discussed together – is which definition of antisemitism are you going with? I’d appreciate it if you could state the decision you’ve reached on this publicly. Crucially, is it one that conflates opposition to Zionism, Israel, and the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people with being bigoted against Jewish people or not? This is key in knowing whether only Zionist, pro-Israel, pro-genocide Mastodon servers will be featured in recommendations or not.

                                          SunnyS This user is from outside of this forum
                                          SunnyS This user is from outside of this forum
                                          Sunny
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #47

                                          @aral 🙄🙄🙄

                                          @Mastodon

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