I don't understand why all centralized services suddenly insist on actually verifying their users' age for real. What was wrong with asking for a birth date or even just presenting a "yes I'm 18 or older" button? NSFW websites somehow still do just fine with that, but Discord, which is much less "risky" in comparison, somehow needs real verification?

Gosh I miss the old internet.

@waystation We have a Discord for people who support us on Patreon. We’re planning to move from Discord to Zulip for that purpose instead.

@dmian @Gargron to be fair, matrix isn't quite there yet, indeed

@Gargron Ah, I misread. My apologies. I've been under the weather since last night.

@Gargron @waystation Rather stupidly, a lot of software support and wiki's are now contained only on Discord, which has been a stupid move to be clear. Even purely social communities for almost anything host on Discord now.

The internet is a lonelier place for all the social interactivity it has hoovered up.

Time will tell if Discord have pointed both barrels at their feet and pulled the trigger... But nobody seems happy with the decision.

@lefteristrip23 @Gargron Even if it was, and it will be a mature platform one day, you always need someone to take care of it. It’s the same with everything you install on a server. And sometimes, you’re not eager to do that.

@Gargron

Make sure you use a different account name if you submit yourself to 1984 dystopia, so you screw up facial recognition subversion.

@targrus @Gargron Same. Also, thanks to this Discord affair, I learned about Stoat (formerly Revolt) https://stoat.chat

@Gargron Thank you for the move and for talking about this publicly!

@Gargron Never heard of that one..

@lutindiscret @Gargron Well maybe they didn't want to manage another Fedi service. So they chose a different option.

@grishka @Gargron I'm thinking it's to avoid problems with the government if it were to come to them having to come in.

@AngelaScholder @Gargron

zulip is excellent. good software and seems like a good group of folks at the company.

@waltbaldwin @Gargron Tnx. With the @DutchWhovianCommunity there is a Discord server for the community, so I'm curious what the impact of the changes is going to be there.

But, also for other security and privacy reasons it most likely be a good thing to move away from Discord. But then, a large part of the community is also still mainly on Failbook and Instagram.
On Mastodon it's still a very small group.

@pounce @Gargron What are some of the features IRC is implementing these days that would be appealing to Discord users?

@pounce @Gargron better to plug xmpp I'd say, open internet standard with a much healthier ecosystem. No shade to IRC, many great communities there that I engage with via bridge.

@targrus @Gargron I'm standing up a Zulip right now, so I'm happy to see others choose it as well.

weed stallman Eugen Rochko https://ircv3.net/ has some good information, but to name a few i don’t think many people know about:

• persistent history (now integrated into several ircds and most clients)
• seamless image/file upload from the app
• multi-line and -paragraph messages
• utf-8
• typing indicators
• proper replies
• emoji reactions
• in-app registration
• account profile pictures / descriptions / display names

@Gargron Selfhosted or in the (US) Zulip cloud?