@Gargron Thank you for the move and for talking about this publicly!

@Gargron Never heard of that one..

@lutindiscret @Gargron Well maybe they didn't want to manage another Fedi service. So they chose a different option.

@grishka @Gargron I'm thinking it's to avoid problems with the government if it were to come to them having to come in.

@AngelaScholder @Gargron

zulip is excellent. good software and seems like a good group of folks at the company.

@waltbaldwin @Gargron Tnx. With the @DutchWhovianCommunity there is a Discord server for the community, so I'm curious what the impact of the changes is going to be there.

But, also for other security and privacy reasons it most likely be a good thing to move away from Discord. But then, a large part of the community is also still mainly on Failbook and Instagram.
On Mastodon it's still a very small group.

@pounce @Gargron What are some of the features IRC is implementing these days that would be appealing to Discord users?

@pounce @Gargron better to plug xmpp I'd say, open internet standard with a much healthier ecosystem. No shade to IRC, many great communities there that I engage with via bridge.

@targrus @Gargron I'm standing up a Zulip right now, so I'm happy to see others choose it as well.

weed stallman Eugen Rochko https://ircv3.net/ has some good information, but to name a few i don’t think many people know about:

• persistent history (now integrated into several ircds and most clients)
• seamless image/file upload from the app
• multi-line and -paragraph messages
• utf-8
• typing indicators
• proper replies
• emoji reactions
• in-app registration
• account profile pictures / descriptions / display names

@Gargron Selfhosted or in the (US) Zulip cloud?

@lefteristrip23 Far from 1:1 feature parity. No integrated voice or video in most implementations (leveraging Jitsi or something similar in many cases) is a big knock against Matrix.

@grishka "for the children" /s

It's because they want to know who you are, and they want to be able to attribute you to other services where this identity is known to build out their web of surveillance.

@lutindiscret @Gargron I wish Matrix worked at all

@Gargron I guess I won't be able to call Felon 47 a brown bag full of manure anymore then.

@lutindiscret @Gargron @lefteristrip23 I beg of you: not #Matrix, for anything persisting and serious *when it comes to group chat*. Has a history of exploding chat rooms, every few years or so. Track record is not good.

#Zulip is today's much more sane choice, as a place to escape to, fleeing #Discord.

BTW: I'm willing to set up/maintain Zulip servers, *but for a price*.

@Gargron I have an account, but haven't used it in a while. When I get told to do that I will respond with a full middle finger scan and a suggestion where they can stick it.

@Gargron Will it affect anything other than NSFW tagging?

@autisticplushy @lutindiscret @Gargron with #Matrix, one-one-one chat is decent; it's just the group chats which have a poor track record of reliability over the years.