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I think that's a no-brainer right now that Europe should pursue digital sovereignty aggressively.

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  • Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*M Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*

    I think that's a no-brainer right now that Europe should pursue digital sovereignty aggressively.

    It's not about MS Office vs Libre Office, it's about banking apps, cloud services, your phone, your daily life. Which is a way bigger leverage #Trump has about your daily life. #FOSS is security.

    #linux

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    @mmorschel
    It is way worse if you consider Identity Providers (IdPs). All the largest IdPs are US based:

    • Entra ID
    • Okta Workforce/Customer Identity
    • Google Identity / Cloud Identity.
    • IBM Security Verify.
    • PingOne / PingFederate

    Think of the consequences if the US block access to these, -spoiler alert: Chaos!

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    • Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*M Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*

      It always seemed like a nerdy thing that German cities switched to Linux. Unnecessary. But if there are billions to spend on arms and the military we should invest in Linux admins and foss infrastructure. Make banks develop alternatives to iOS and Android apps.

      Invest in a foss mobile os.

      Don't give the key to your life to powers that can turn malicious without any notice.

      Dave DeeD This user is from outside of this forum
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      @mmorschel there should be a strategic narrative on EU level why this is needed as well.

      It should have a federated approach, since a lot needs to be built and adopted, and there still is a scarcity of talent.

      The program needs focused education and spread work across Europe. We can not allow internal competion to waste resources building the same stuff in many places.

      Europe is actively making plans. Have you seen: https://interoperable-europe.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/europe-seeking-input-its-open-source-strategy

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      • Dave DeeD Dave Dee

        @mmorschel there should be a strategic narrative on EU level why this is needed as well.

        It should have a federated approach, since a lot needs to be built and adopted, and there still is a scarcity of talent.

        The program needs focused education and spread work across Europe. We can not allow internal competion to waste resources building the same stuff in many places.

        Europe is actively making plans. Have you seen: https://interoperable-europe.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/europe-seeking-input-its-open-source-strategy

        Dave DeeD This user is from outside of this forum
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        @mmorschel

        The EU seems actively steering away from ¨markets will solve everything".

        No, markets are efficient in some things but for public values free markets create poverty, crappy products and a polluted world.

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        • Dave DeeD Dave Dee

          @mmorschel there should be a strategic narrative on EU level why this is needed as well.

          It should have a federated approach, since a lot needs to be built and adopted, and there still is a scarcity of talent.

          The program needs focused education and spread work across Europe. We can not allow internal competion to waste resources building the same stuff in many places.

          Europe is actively making plans. Have you seen: https://interoperable-europe.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/europe-seeking-input-its-open-source-strategy

          Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*M This user is from outside of this forum
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          Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*
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          @deedo

          That's great! 🙂 Didn't know about that.

          And yes, a narrative is needed to get this into the public space. It concerns everyday services for you and me and should be treated as electricity and other vital infrastructure by the citizen.

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          • Dave DeeD Dave Dee

            @mmorschel

            The EU seems actively steering away from ¨markets will solve everything".

            No, markets are efficient in some things but for public values free markets create poverty, crappy products and a polluted world.

            Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*M This user is from outside of this forum
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            Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*
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            @deedo

            Couldn't agree more from my subsidiarity primed brain. 😉

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            • Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*M Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*

              I think that's a no-brainer right now that Europe should pursue digital sovereignty aggressively.

              It's not about MS Office vs Libre Office, it's about banking apps, cloud services, your phone, your daily life. Which is a way bigger leverage #Trump has about your daily life. #FOSS is security.

              #linux

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              @mmorschel a lot of governments right now making clear that they think sovereignty is overrated, including of their own country.

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              • Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*M Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*

                I think that's a no-brainer right now that Europe should pursue digital sovereignty aggressively.

                It's not about MS Office vs Libre Office, it's about banking apps, cloud services, your phone, your daily life. Which is a way bigger leverage #Trump has about your daily life. #FOSS is security.

                #linux

                Martin Vermeer FCDM This user is from outside of this forum
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                @mmorschel

                > it's about banking apps

                It's about even being able to have a bank account.

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                • Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*M Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*

                  @deedo

                  That's great! 🙂 Didn't know about that.

                  And yes, a narrative is needed to get this into the public space. It concerns everyday services for you and me and should be treated as electricity and other vital infrastructure by the citizen.

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                  @mmorschel also, a strategic narrative is painfully necessary to defend against the strongman's propaganda: "Communism" "weak" "Elitist" etc.

                  It needs to be a story that is not just idealistic or condescending, it needs to show how people will actually benefit in their daily lives. With measureable outcomes on short term as well, to feed the momentum...

                  It's certainly a difficult menu but I'm convinced Europe holds the right ingredients.

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                  • Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*M Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*

                    I think that's a no-brainer right now that Europe should pursue digital sovereignty aggressively.

                    It's not about MS Office vs Libre Office, it's about banking apps, cloud services, your phone, your daily life. Which is a way bigger leverage #Trump has about your daily life. #FOSS is security.

                    #linux

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                    @mmorschel
                    I believe work is well underway for an EU digital currency, which hopefully will be rapidly widely adopted. If Visa and Mastercard start to treat customers in accordance with Trump's tantrums, an alternative is sorely needed.

                    #Trump #FOSS #linux

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                    • Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*M Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*

                      I think that's a no-brainer right now that Europe should pursue digital sovereignty aggressively.

                      It's not about MS Office vs Libre Office, it's about banking apps, cloud services, your phone, your daily life. Which is a way bigger leverage #Trump has about your daily life. #FOSS is security.

                      #linux

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                      @mmorschel sharing.

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                      • Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*M Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*

                        I think that's a no-brainer right now that Europe should pursue digital sovereignty aggressively.

                        It's not about MS Office vs Libre Office, it's about banking apps, cloud services, your phone, your daily life. Which is a way bigger leverage #Trump has about your daily life. #FOSS is security.

                        #linux

                        trolerT This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @mmorschel I remember 5 years ago, when pandemic lockdowns were enforced nationwide in Lithuania, the education ministry declared that public schools must use Micro$oft "Teams" for online-meetings. The government then subsidized the license. That is on top of the fact, in IT classes students are taught how to use Micro$oft "Office" products. The upside is the use of Code::Blocks as an IDE for C++.

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                        • Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*M Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*

                          I think that's a no-brainer right now that Europe should pursue digital sovereignty aggressively.

                          It's not about MS Office vs Libre Office, it's about banking apps, cloud services, your phone, your daily life. Which is a way bigger leverage #Trump has about your daily life. #FOSS is security.

                          #linux

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                          @mmorschel going digital for tax etc may turn out to have been sub-optimal.
                          Particularly if it uses closed source applications running on closed source operating systems on proprietary hardware of limited sourcing.
                          #MakingTaxDigital

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                          • Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*M Manuel *hunting Eudaimonia*

                            I think that's a no-brainer right now that Europe should pursue digital sovereignty aggressively.

                            It's not about MS Office vs Libre Office, it's about banking apps, cloud services, your phone, your daily life. Which is a way bigger leverage #Trump has about your daily life. #FOSS is security.

                            #linux

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                            @mmorschel

                            I hate, that having a credit card is currently not possible without the US.

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