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  • Erik JonkerE Erik Jonker

    @cstross ...i hate to break the news but AI is a "tool" that has it's uses but also it's limitations, AI is great for several things but certainly not for this... The movement calling everything AI "slop", should be replaced by a serious discussion how and when to use AI (and when not).

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    @ErikJonker Shocking to you, I know, but I think the stuff currently sold as AI is bullshit.

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    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

      There are WORSE AI-generated images of how to wire a UK mains plug. Here's one I saved last year.

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      @cstross
      Pretty though πŸ˜‰

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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

        Notes for Americans:

        1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

        2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

        3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

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        @cstross in the US a 220V appliance comes without plugs so you get to spend $120 on an electrician to wire one on

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        • greemG greem

          @cstross Genuine Darwin Award territory.

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          @greem @cstross we have those already https://aidarwinawards.org/

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          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

            @mpjgregoire @jbayes They didn't fit plugs because doing so would have cost them money *and nobody else was doing so*. Plugs were sold separately to consumers. Every corner shop sold them!

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            @cstross how many do you keep around, "just in case"? (Me: two or three at least)

            @mpjgregoire @jbayes

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            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

              RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

              Notes for Americans:

              1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

              2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

              3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

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              @cstross out of curiosity, surely it spits out a slightly different thing every time? Have people replicated this? I'm sure it'd give similarly deadly results multiple times

              which is why people really need to do better and learn what these things are (not) so they don't fking go to it for advice and how-tos in the first place πŸ˜•

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              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                @ErikJonker Shocking to you, I know, but I think the stuff currently sold as AI is bullshit.

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                @cstross I am fully aware of all it's limitations , there is an awful lot of AI bullshit around, but actually also a considerable amount of useful applications

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                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                  RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

                  Notes for Americans:

                  1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

                  2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

                  3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

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                  @cstross But a lot has changed in basic ability since 1992. Not in the positive sense either.
                  And people in China now wire the UK plugs on for you.

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                  • topsT tops

                    @cstross how many do you keep around, "just in case"? (Me: two or three at least)

                    @mpjgregoire @jbayes

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                    @tops @mpjgregoire @jbayes I don't any more. Used to keep a couple on hand until the mid-90s.

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                    • Erik JonkerE This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @sotolf @cstross Anthropic's Claude Opus 4.6 uncovers 500 zero-day flaws in open-source code https://www.axios.com/2026/02/05/anthropic-claude-opus-46-software-hunting

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                      • Tim Ward ⭐πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ”Ά  #FBPET Tim Ward ⭐πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ”Ά #FBPE

                        @cstross @swetland Yes, I remember there were two sizes, what I don't remember was the precise mix of two- and three-pin variants.

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                        @TimWardCam @cstross @swetland
                        There were (and still are) three sizes of round three-pin plugs in UK: 2A, 5A and 15A. Because they don’t have fuses in the plug, the 5A and 15A outlets must be radially wired from a correspondingly-rated circuit breaker. (I’m not sure what the rules are for 2A; that’s almost exclusively used for lighting appliances, often controlled by light switches.)

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                        • Erik JonkerE Erik Jonker

                          @sotolf @cstross Anthropic's Claude Opus 4.6 uncovers 500 zero-day flaws in open-source code https://www.axios.com/2026/02/05/anthropic-claude-opus-46-software-hunting

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                          @sotolf @cstross or if you are into biology, AlphaFold β€” Google DeepMind https://deepmind.google/science/alphafold/ ,

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                          • Christian SieversS Christian Sievers

                            @nygl @cstross great fun. Here's a technical illustration for European plugs

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                            @Sie @nygl @cstross r/DINgore would be proud of you.

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                            • Erik JonkerE This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @sotolf @cstross AlphaFold 3 (2024) explicitly uses a generative diffusion model

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                              • MarianneN Marianne

                                @cstross out of curiosity, surely it spits out a slightly different thing every time? Have people replicated this? I'm sure it'd give similarly deadly results multiple times

                                which is why people really need to do better and learn what these things are (not) so they don't fking go to it for advice and how-tos in the first place πŸ˜•

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                                @noodlemaz @cstross I've lost count of the number of people I've encountered who default to "I'll ask ChatGPT" instead of a search engine, never mind something like Wikipedia or a purpose built site.

                                Slop has become the first port of call for a staggering percentage of internet users. Voice input probably reduces the friction even further. 😬

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                                  @sotolf @cstross yeah , winning a nobel prize for physics with AI is all bullshit then...πŸ˜‚

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                                  • Erik JonkerE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @sotolf @cstross sure, but please Google (not the AI preview πŸ˜‰) , there are plenty of serious and useful applications of generative AI / transformers

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                                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                      @akicif I know: I grew up in one of those houses. (It was rewired when I was 13.)

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                                      @cstross @akicif My old school still had them back in around '77. I hope the place has been re-wired since....

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                                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                        RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

                                        Notes for Americans:

                                        1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

                                        2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

                                        3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

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                                        @cstross one saving grace here is that ChatGPT's plug has its pins in completely the wrong position so you're not actually going to be able to plug it into a socket anyway

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                                        • ChristopherD Christopher

                                          @cstross When people used to list life skills they thought should be taught in schools rather than academic subjects, how to wire a plug was a popular choice. So also was how to balance a chequebook.

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                                          @dearlove @cstross basic bookkeeping is still an essential skill - it just doesn't involve actual cheques any more

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