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The most annoying thing about corporate surveillance to me is the arrogance of the prediction mechanisms.

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  • Windy cityP Windy city

    The most annoying thing about corporate surveillance to me is the arrogance of the prediction mechanisms.

    These algorithms build a model of me based on my clicks from three years ago and then try to trap me in that loop forever. They show me music they think I'll like, and news they think I'll engage with, and videos they think will enrage me enough to keep me hooked to their platforms. They are actively trying to flatten my personality into something easy to monetize.

    As most people I've seen say out loud, "Privacy as a concept is way beyond hiding secrets. A part of it also means preserving your capacity to change. To be surprised. To be inconsistent."

    If I could tell every human one thing, it would be to actively refuse to be a predictable data point. Mess up their metrics. In whatever way you are capable of.

    #socialmedia #algorithmicbias #privacy #dataprivacy #quotes #foss #facebook #linkedin #llm #noai #enshittification #reading #books #baking #art #philosophy #adhd #depression #cybersecurity

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    @pheonix It's called Genre Capture. I think.

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    • Windy cityP Windy city

      The most annoying thing about corporate surveillance to me is the arrogance of the prediction mechanisms.

      These algorithms build a model of me based on my clicks from three years ago and then try to trap me in that loop forever. They show me music they think I'll like, and news they think I'll engage with, and videos they think will enrage me enough to keep me hooked to their platforms. They are actively trying to flatten my personality into something easy to monetize.

      As most people I've seen say out loud, "Privacy as a concept is way beyond hiding secrets. A part of it also means preserving your capacity to change. To be surprised. To be inconsistent."

      If I could tell every human one thing, it would be to actively refuse to be a predictable data point. Mess up their metrics. In whatever way you are capable of.

      #socialmedia #algorithmicbias #privacy #dataprivacy #quotes #foss #facebook #linkedin #llm #noai #enshittification #reading #books #baking #art #philosophy #adhd #depression #cybersecurity

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      @pheonix @uep not sure if you've seen this, but a few ideas on how to unflatten yourself

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      Pluralistic: Become unoptimizable (20 Aug 2025) – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow

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      • craignicolC craignicol

        @pheonix @uep not sure if you've seen this, but a few ideas on how to unflatten yourself

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        Pluralistic: Become unoptimizable (20 Aug 2025) – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow

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        @craignicol @uep I hadn't so thanks for sharing, @pluralistic is usually spot on!

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        • Arthur P. DentS Arthur P. Dent

          @pheonix Well said. As some others have already stated: you’ve put words to a thought I’ve had flitting at the edge of my consciousness but couldn’t express. 😁

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          @Saket I appreciate you

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          • BeldarakB Beldarak

            @pheonix
            And also the classical, "I see you bought a hair dryer, you probably need ten more right? I'll show you some all month"

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            @Beldarak that last example reallllly confuses me. You bought X once, so you must need 10 more of it! Who thought of this?

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            • TiTiNoNero :__:7 TiTiNoNero :__:

              @pheonix It is a concept that I felt, but never found a way to express. You gave words to that, and for this I thank you!

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              @77nn that's very kind of you! Thank you ☺️

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              • Theophile EscargotT Theophile Escargot

                @pheonix You'd think the shopping predictions would be great as it's how they make their money, that they'd be laser-focused on my tastes and needs with pinpoint accuracy. I just got recommended curling tongs by Amazon. I've been completely bald with the sides/back shaven for 20+ years.

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                @TheoEsc
                Tomorrow they may try & sell you a wig… for your curling tongs… 😁
                @pheonix

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                • Su_GS Su_G

                  @TheoEsc
                  Tomorrow they may try & sell you a wig… for your curling tongs… 😁
                  @pheonix

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                  @Su_G @TheoEsc it never ends 😂

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                  • Windy cityP Windy city

                    The most annoying thing about corporate surveillance to me is the arrogance of the prediction mechanisms.

                    These algorithms build a model of me based on my clicks from three years ago and then try to trap me in that loop forever. They show me music they think I'll like, and news they think I'll engage with, and videos they think will enrage me enough to keep me hooked to their platforms. They are actively trying to flatten my personality into something easy to monetize.

                    As most people I've seen say out loud, "Privacy as a concept is way beyond hiding secrets. A part of it also means preserving your capacity to change. To be surprised. To be inconsistent."

                    If I could tell every human one thing, it would be to actively refuse to be a predictable data point. Mess up their metrics. In whatever way you are capable of.

                    #socialmedia #algorithmicbias #privacy #dataprivacy #quotes #foss #facebook #linkedin #llm #noai #enshittification #reading #books #baking #art #philosophy #adhd #depression #cybersecurity

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                    On YouTube, for example, you can do so by not clicking on recommended content from search results. This includes sections like "For you" and "People also search for".

                    My extension helps with this and lots of other QOL improvements. It's open source, privacy friendly and Mozilla recommended.

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                    Extension : Search Fixer

                    YouTube Search Fixer is an extension designed to fix YouTube search and de-clutter your search page to make it less distracting. It removes suggestions like For you, People also search for, Related to your search, etc from your feed. Install this to remove Shorts and much more from Search Results as well.

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                    • Windy cityP Windy city

                      On YouTube, for example, you can do so by not clicking on recommended content from search results. This includes sections like "For you" and "People also search for".

                      My extension helps with this and lots of other QOL improvements. It's open source, privacy friendly and Mozilla recommended.

                      Link Preview Image
                      Extension : Search Fixer

                      YouTube Search Fixer is an extension designed to fix YouTube search and de-clutter your search page to make it less distracting. It removes suggestions like For you, People also search for, Related to your search, etc from your feed. Install this to remove Shorts and much more from Search Results as well.

                      favicon

                      (phoennix.gitlab.io)

                      Link Preview Image
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                      @pheonix thank you for sharing this.

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                      • Windy cityP Windy city

                        The most annoying thing about corporate surveillance to me is the arrogance of the prediction mechanisms.

                        These algorithms build a model of me based on my clicks from three years ago and then try to trap me in that loop forever. They show me music they think I'll like, and news they think I'll engage with, and videos they think will enrage me enough to keep me hooked to their platforms. They are actively trying to flatten my personality into something easy to monetize.

                        As most people I've seen say out loud, "Privacy as a concept is way beyond hiding secrets. A part of it also means preserving your capacity to change. To be surprised. To be inconsistent."

                        If I could tell every human one thing, it would be to actively refuse to be a predictable data point. Mess up their metrics. In whatever way you are capable of.

                        #socialmedia #algorithmicbias #privacy #dataprivacy #quotes #foss #facebook #linkedin #llm #noai #enshittification #reading #books #baking #art #philosophy #adhd #depression #cybersecurity

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                        @pheonix Reminded me of this gem from Wendell Berry. Written 50 years ago, before prediction algorithms were suggesting music to anyone. https://allpoetry.com/poem/12622463-Manifesto--The-Mad-Farmer-Liberation-Front-by-Wendell-Berry

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                        • Windy cityP Windy city

                          @Beldarak that last example reallllly confuses me. You bought X once, so you must need 10 more of it! Who thought of this?

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                          @pheonix
                          Yes, that is so strange… as you & others in this thread comment: “You bought X once, so you must need 10 more of it! Who thought of this?” 🤔
                          It's so creep- weird. Why does the algo keep trying to sell us the same thing? As if we are our past? It’s such incredibly lazy programming. Advertizers pay for this? Why? Make it make sense!! 🤔
                          #algorithms #marketing #advertizers #advertisers #advertising
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                          • Windy cityP Windy city

                            The most annoying thing about corporate surveillance to me is the arrogance of the prediction mechanisms.

                            These algorithms build a model of me based on my clicks from three years ago and then try to trap me in that loop forever. They show me music they think I'll like, and news they think I'll engage with, and videos they think will enrage me enough to keep me hooked to their platforms. They are actively trying to flatten my personality into something easy to monetize.

                            As most people I've seen say out loud, "Privacy as a concept is way beyond hiding secrets. A part of it also means preserving your capacity to change. To be surprised. To be inconsistent."

                            If I could tell every human one thing, it would be to actively refuse to be a predictable data point. Mess up their metrics. In whatever way you are capable of.

                            #socialmedia #algorithmicbias #privacy #dataprivacy #quotes #foss #facebook #linkedin #llm #noai #enshittification #reading #books #baking #art #philosophy #adhd #depression #cybersecurity

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                            @pheonix

                            What, you don't want to buy another replacement battery for your celphone this week?

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                            • Windy cityP Windy city

                              The most annoying thing about corporate surveillance to me is the arrogance of the prediction mechanisms.

                              These algorithms build a model of me based on my clicks from three years ago and then try to trap me in that loop forever. They show me music they think I'll like, and news they think I'll engage with, and videos they think will enrage me enough to keep me hooked to their platforms. They are actively trying to flatten my personality into something easy to monetize.

                              As most people I've seen say out loud, "Privacy as a concept is way beyond hiding secrets. A part of it also means preserving your capacity to change. To be surprised. To be inconsistent."

                              If I could tell every human one thing, it would be to actively refuse to be a predictable data point. Mess up their metrics. In whatever way you are capable of.

                              #socialmedia #algorithmicbias #privacy #dataprivacy #quotes #foss #facebook #linkedin #llm #noai #enshittification #reading #books #baking #art #philosophy #adhd #depression #cybersecurity

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                              @pheonix This is very well put and hadn't occurred to me in exactly the same way, but I feel similar about all the generative AI. It only regurgitates what it has ingested and as starts to feed on itself, nothing new and surprising can come out of it. I don't want to be trapped in a feedback loop of the same content being recycled and homogenized endlessly. Where is the spark of creativity?

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                              • Windy cityP Windy city

                                The most annoying thing about corporate surveillance to me is the arrogance of the prediction mechanisms.

                                These algorithms build a model of me based on my clicks from three years ago and then try to trap me in that loop forever. They show me music they think I'll like, and news they think I'll engage with, and videos they think will enrage me enough to keep me hooked to their platforms. They are actively trying to flatten my personality into something easy to monetize.

                                As most people I've seen say out loud, "Privacy as a concept is way beyond hiding secrets. A part of it also means preserving your capacity to change. To be surprised. To be inconsistent."

                                If I could tell every human one thing, it would be to actively refuse to be a predictable data point. Mess up their metrics. In whatever way you are capable of.

                                #socialmedia #algorithmicbias #privacy #dataprivacy #quotes #foss #facebook #linkedin #llm #noai #enshittification #reading #books #baking #art #philosophy #adhd #depression #cybersecurity

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                                @pheonix Isn’t this in a way an even more sinister form of the 50s advertisement that the ”tradwife” aesthetic is derived from?

                                By pushing the same ideal of womanhood from all angles possible the goal was to currate a standardised adult female consumer unit to which it’d be easier to push additional uniformed goods and services.

                                Advanced #capitalism deters #authenticity as it makes high volume peddling harder, and thus the production-consumption-loop less efficient.

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                                • Windy cityP Windy city

                                  The most annoying thing about corporate surveillance to me is the arrogance of the prediction mechanisms.

                                  These algorithms build a model of me based on my clicks from three years ago and then try to trap me in that loop forever. They show me music they think I'll like, and news they think I'll engage with, and videos they think will enrage me enough to keep me hooked to their platforms. They are actively trying to flatten my personality into something easy to monetize.

                                  As most people I've seen say out loud, "Privacy as a concept is way beyond hiding secrets. A part of it also means preserving your capacity to change. To be surprised. To be inconsistent."

                                  If I could tell every human one thing, it would be to actively refuse to be a predictable data point. Mess up their metrics. In whatever way you are capable of.

                                  #socialmedia #algorithmicbias #privacy #dataprivacy #quotes #foss #facebook #linkedin #llm #noai #enshittification #reading #books #baking #art #philosophy #adhd #depression #cybersecurity

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                                  @pheonix

                                  Bingo. Living in the world of a surveillance state and of AI is to live in a nightmare Groundhog Day.

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                                  • Windy cityP Windy city

                                    The most annoying thing about corporate surveillance to me is the arrogance of the prediction mechanisms.

                                    These algorithms build a model of me based on my clicks from three years ago and then try to trap me in that loop forever. They show me music they think I'll like, and news they think I'll engage with, and videos they think will enrage me enough to keep me hooked to their platforms. They are actively trying to flatten my personality into something easy to monetize.

                                    As most people I've seen say out loud, "Privacy as a concept is way beyond hiding secrets. A part of it also means preserving your capacity to change. To be surprised. To be inconsistent."

                                    If I could tell every human one thing, it would be to actively refuse to be a predictable data point. Mess up their metrics. In whatever way you are capable of.

                                    #socialmedia #algorithmicbias #privacy #dataprivacy #quotes #foss #facebook #linkedin #llm #noai #enshittification #reading #books #baking #art #philosophy #adhd #depression #cybersecurity

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                                    @pheonix Yesterday I looked up the terms for the shirt worn by men when they wear a tuxedo. Today I get thousands of ads for dress shirts. Coincidence? I think not.

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                                    • SuperMoosieS SuperMoosie

                                      @pheonix

                                      The predictions are not even any good.

                                      Spotify keep serving up songs I immediately skip every single time it plays them

                                      Netflix says you will love these shows.

                                      50% are shite I never would watch, the other 50% are shows I have already watched. Maybe I watch one in 10 years time, but not going to rewatch something from last week.

                                      Also you scroll through search results and they keep shoving a bunch of the same movies in. I have already scrolled past these 12 times. Stop showing me them! Show me the rest of the results.

                                      Or I buy a new kettle and get kettle ads for the next 6 months. Do you think I am
                                      setting up a kettle farm? How many kettles do you think I need?

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                                      @SuperMoosie @pheonix Maybe you were intending to breed kettles? I'm sure there's a way to monetise that...

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                                      • Windy cityP Windy city

                                        The most annoying thing about corporate surveillance to me is the arrogance of the prediction mechanisms.

                                        These algorithms build a model of me based on my clicks from three years ago and then try to trap me in that loop forever. They show me music they think I'll like, and news they think I'll engage with, and videos they think will enrage me enough to keep me hooked to their platforms. They are actively trying to flatten my personality into something easy to monetize.

                                        As most people I've seen say out loud, "Privacy as a concept is way beyond hiding secrets. A part of it also means preserving your capacity to change. To be surprised. To be inconsistent."

                                        If I could tell every human one thing, it would be to actively refuse to be a predictable data point. Mess up their metrics. In whatever way you are capable of.

                                        #socialmedia #algorithmicbias #privacy #dataprivacy #quotes #foss #facebook #linkedin #llm #noai #enshittification #reading #books #baking #art #philosophy #adhd #depression #cybersecurity

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                                        @pheonix that’s something I hate. Watch a Korean tv show, and all they will suggest you are korean tv show. I am more layered and complex than that! I watch and wanna find out about different things!!!

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                                        • Su_GS Su_G

                                          @pheonix
                                          Yes, that is so strange… as you & others in this thread comment: “You bought X once, so you must need 10 more of it! Who thought of this?” 🤔
                                          It's so creep- weird. Why does the algo keep trying to sell us the same thing? As if we are our past? It’s such incredibly lazy programming. Advertizers pay for this? Why? Make it make sense!! 🤔
                                          #algorithms #marketing #advertizers #advertisers #advertising
                                          @Beldarak

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                                          @Su_G @pheonix @Beldarak

                                          Advertisers pay *extra* for this! That's how FB and Google got so rich, by promising advertisers targeting to likely buyers. But it's just so self-evidently terrible that it's hard to believe any advertisers still fall for it. SMFH

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