Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"
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Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"
Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..
Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet
Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me
@stux I generally think this as well. But then I also think about the large variety of human societies that we have today, and how I would rather live in some (say, France) rather than others (say, the US, or those with no women's rights). If everyone could live everywhere without having to accept the laws of each country because there was no concept of country - wouldn't it end up being about "might makes right"?
Or maybe we can have no borders, no countries, and still somehow all agree to live in harmony, between each other and also between humans and nature?
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@stux I generally think this as well. But then I also think about the large variety of human societies that we have today, and how I would rather live in some (say, France) rather than others (say, the US, or those with no women's rights). If everyone could live everywhere without having to accept the laws of each country because there was no concept of country - wouldn't it end up being about "might makes right"?
Or maybe we can have no borders, no countries, and still somehow all agree to live in harmony, between each other and also between humans and nature?@elduvelle More like an United Nations
We need a government but not in the current forms, more general
Perhaps current countries first as provinces
But at least no single rulers like kings, queens, presidents or dictators
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@stux I generally think this as well. But then I also think about the large variety of human societies that we have today, and how I would rather live in some (say, France) rather than others (say, the US, or those with no women's rights). If everyone could live everywhere without having to accept the laws of each country because there was no concept of country - wouldn't it end up being about "might makes right"?
Or maybe we can have no borders, no countries, and still somehow all agree to live in harmony, between each other and also between humans and nature?@stux @elduvelle The opposite. If the mighty can't lock out people, their might shrinks a lot, and it will be easier to set rights in stone, despite what the mighty want. -
Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"
Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..
Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet
Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me
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Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"
Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..
Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet
Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me
@stux with everyone free to go anywhere on this planet there would be total anarchy. If you have issues with the concept of country or border you would have issues also with the law that regulate the society enclosed inside those borders.
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Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"
Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..
Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet
Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me
@stux Or as Donald Trump said about the Canada-US border back when he wanted to annex it: «random lines on a map»
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@stux Or as Donald Trump said about the Canada-US border back when he wanted to annex it: «random lines on a map»
@toriver Away with the lines! No more US or Canada and while we're at it, also dump Trump since no no
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@stux with everyone free to go anywhere on this planet there would be total anarchy. If you have issues with the concept of country or border you would have issues also with the law that regulate the society enclosed inside those borders.
@ranx “Everyone free to go anywhere on the planet” worked without issues for literally thousands of years. Why would it be different now?
Administrative boundaries and controlled borders are two different things. You can have one without the other.
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@stux @elduvelle The opposite. If the mighty can't lock out people, their might shrinks a lot, and it will be easier to set rights in stone, despite what the mighty want.
@grymt @stux
I guess this assumes that a lot more humans are nice than bad. I would like to believe this, and I think this is how humanity has survived originally - by helping each other, including the weakest members - but I am not fully convinced it is the case.
Or rather, even if there's more nice people overall, they seem to very easily follow dictators, strong-looking leaders that shout loudly but are just really selfish. How do we avoid that from happening in our utopic, border-free world? -
@ranx “Everyone free to go anywhere on the planet” worked without issues for literally thousands of years. Why would it be different now?
Administrative boundaries and controlled borders are two different things. You can have one without the other.
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@grymt @stux
I guess this assumes that a lot more humans are nice than bad. I would like to believe this, and I think this is how humanity has survived originally - by helping each other, including the weakest members - but I am not fully convinced it is the case.
Or rather, even if there's more nice people overall, they seem to very easily follow dictators, strong-looking leaders that shout loudly but are just really selfish. How do we avoid that from happening in our utopic, border-free world?@elduvelle @grymt Hm.. all these replies are very interesting tough!
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Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"
Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..
Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet
Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me
Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..
This was exactly the feeling of the Mongols in the 12th and 13th C, perhaps you can use their resulting approach as a model going forward.
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Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..
This was exactly the feeling of the Mongols in the 12th and 13th C, perhaps you can use their resulting approach as a model going forward.
@BradRubenstein Difference is.. I don't have to own every single piece of land I come across
We can also enjoy stuff without having to "own" it all I guess
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@BradRubenstein Difference is.. I don't have to own every single piece of land I come across
We can also enjoy stuff without having to "own" it all I guess
Too soon to tell.
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Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"
Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..
Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet
Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me
@stux A country is just a garden around your house, but bigger. You probably wouldn't wanna let bad people enter and stay in your garden just like that...
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Too soon to tell.
@BradRubenstein Tihi
Hmm.. otherwise it won't be any different from all those before in history
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Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"
Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..
Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet
Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me
@stux this is what many indigenous peoples always found difficult to believe, that, just by claiming a place where you happen to be, you reduce the rights of anyone who steps there in future.
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@stux A country is just a garden around your house, but bigger. You probably wouldn't wanna let bad people enter and stay in your garden just like that...
@Chapz What is "bad people"?
Soneone who's trying to flee war and looking for a better home or?
The line is very thin
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Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"
Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..
Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet
Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me
@stux countries are like Pokemon. They are all fantasy, and someone will always tell you theirs is better lacking any proof. Now add religion and money, and we got the holy Trinity of bullshit covered
