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Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"

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  • GrymtG Grymt
    @stux @elduvelle The opposite. If the mighty can't lock out people, their might shrinks a lot, and it will be easier to set rights in stone, despite what the mighty want.
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    @grymt @stux
    I guess this assumes that a lot more humans are nice than bad. I would like to believe this, and I think this is how humanity has survived originally - by helping each other, including the weakest members - but I am not fully convinced it is the case.
    Or rather, even if there's more nice people overall, they seem to very easily follow dictators, strong-looking leaders that shout loudly but are just really selfish. How do we avoid that from happening in our utopic, border-free world?

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    • Peter BrettK Peter Brett

      @ranx “Everyone free to go anywhere on the planet” worked without issues for literally thousands of years. Why would it be different now?

      Administrative boundaries and controlled borders are two different things. You can have one without the other.

      @stux #PostNationalism

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      @krans @stux because for thousands of years there was no social welfare

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      • El DuvelleE El Duvelle

        @grymt @stux
        I guess this assumes that a lot more humans are nice than bad. I would like to believe this, and I think this is how humanity has survived originally - by helping each other, including the weakest members - but I am not fully convinced it is the case.
        Or rather, even if there's more nice people overall, they seem to very easily follow dictators, strong-looking leaders that shout loudly but are just really selfish. How do we avoid that from happening in our utopic, border-free world?

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        @elduvelle @grymt Hm.. all these replies are very interesting tough!

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        • G 🇮🇹R G 🇮🇹

          @krans @stux because for thousands of years there was no social welfare

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          @ranx @krans But wasn't there even more anarachy?

          Nowadays we "keep each other in check" with modern media to record etc

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          • stux⚡S stux⚡

            Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"

            Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..

            Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet

            Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me

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            @stux

            Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..

            This was exactly the feeling of the Mongols in the 12th and 13th C, perhaps you can use their resulting approach as a model going forward.

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            • Brad Rubenstein “:verified:”B Brad Rubenstein “:verified:”

              @stux

              Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..

              This was exactly the feeling of the Mongols in the 12th and 13th C, perhaps you can use their resulting approach as a model going forward.

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              @BradRubenstein Difference is.. I don't have to own every single piece of land I come across

              We can also enjoy stuff without having to "own" it all I guess

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              • stux⚡S stux⚡

                @BradRubenstein Difference is.. I don't have to own every single piece of land I come across

                We can also enjoy stuff without having to "own" it all I guess

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                @stux

                Too soon to tell.

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                • stux⚡S stux⚡

                  Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"

                  Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..

                  Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet

                  Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me

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                  @stux A country is just a garden around your house, but bigger. You probably wouldn't wanna let bad people enter and stay in your garden just like that...

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                  • Brad Rubenstein “:verified:”B Brad Rubenstein “:verified:”

                    @stux

                    Too soon to tell.

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                    @BradRubenstein Tihi

                    Hmm.. otherwise it won't be any different from all those before in history

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                    • stux⚡S stux⚡

                      Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"

                      Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..

                      Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet

                      Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me

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                      @stux this is what many indigenous peoples always found difficult to believe, that, just by claiming a place where you happen to be, you reduce the rights of anyone who steps there in future.

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                      • Ivan CarapovicC Ivan Carapovic

                        @stux A country is just a garden around your house, but bigger. You probably wouldn't wanna let bad people enter and stay in your garden just like that...

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                        @Chapz What is "bad people"?

                        Soneone who's trying to flee war and looking for a better home or?

                        The line is very thin

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                        • stux⚡S stux⚡

                          Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"

                          Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..

                          Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet

                          Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me

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                          @stux countries are like Pokemon. They are all fantasy, and someone will always tell you theirs is better lacking any proof. Now add religion and money, and we got the holy Trinity of bullshit covered 😅

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                          • Daniel S. ReichenbachD Daniel S. Reichenbach

                            @stux countries are like Pokemon. They are all fantasy, and someone will always tell you theirs is better lacking any proof. Now add religion and money, and we got the holy Trinity of bullshit covered 😅

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                            @danielsreichenbach 😆 and some people really wanna catch 'em all unfort

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                            • stux⚡S stux⚡

                              Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"

                              Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..

                              Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet

                              Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me

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                              @stux Immigration is a human right.

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                              • stux⚡S stux⚡

                                Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"

                                Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..

                                Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet

                                Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me

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                                I deliberately start my post with "personally I..." because it's the way how I think about a certain subject in a given time

                                As we all know, there is a LOT more to it then just an idea or vision

                                At this point in time the world is going through a lot of trouble and my idea or vision does not make super much sense, I know

                                It's just how, I personally again, would like to see the world turn out

                                Unfort we are not ready for this, if ever

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                                • stux⚡S stux⚡

                                  I deliberately start my post with "personally I..." because it's the way how I think about a certain subject in a given time

                                  As we all know, there is a LOT more to it then just an idea or vision

                                  At this point in time the world is going through a lot of trouble and my idea or vision does not make super much sense, I know

                                  It's just how, I personally again, would like to see the world turn out

                                  Unfort we are not ready for this, if ever

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                                  @stux This is why I adore you, stux

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                                  • LaffyG Laffy

                                    @stux This is why I adore you, stux

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                                    @GottaLaff You're too sweet! ❤️

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                                    • stux⚡S stux⚡

                                      @GottaLaff You're too sweet! ❤️

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                                      @stux ❤️

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                                      • stux⚡S stux⚡

                                        I deliberately start my post with "personally I..." because it's the way how I think about a certain subject in a given time

                                        As we all know, there is a LOT more to it then just an idea or vision

                                        At this point in time the world is going through a lot of trouble and my idea or vision does not make super much sense, I know

                                        It's just how, I personally again, would like to see the world turn out

                                        Unfort we are not ready for this, if ever

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                                        Gar Lipow
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                                        A personal memoir essay by me touches on this a bit. It is the story of how my Mother's brief career as international jewel smuggler at the age of 8 in 1929 led to her becoming Anti-Zionist in 1979. It contains a bit of left history and a bit of American Jewish history and contains some thoughts on nationalism. https://znetwork.org/znetarticle/jews-dont-do-that/ @stux

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