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  3. Saying that you do not want GenAI in the #books you read, the things you watch or the games you play is an understandable and NORMAL position.

Saying that you do not want GenAI in the #books you read, the things you watch or the games you play is an understandable and NORMAL position.

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  • Bernie the WordsmithB Bernie the Wordsmith

    And please spare me with the "both sides" argument. Because one of them is trying to force feed things to the other. And one of them has all the money and resources and the other has not. This is not people taking sides. This is people trying for the boot to stop pressing against their face.

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    You keep mentioning fear of the machines.

    Not about that.

    You keep mentioning grammar checking and transcription functionality.

    Not about that.

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    • Bernie the WordsmithB Bernie the Wordsmith

      You keep mentioning fear of the machines.

      Not about that.

      You keep mentioning grammar checking and transcription functionality.

      Not about that.

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      Look, we get it. AI sounds hot. We read the same science fiction books and it is nice to think that maybe one day LLM technology can be leveraged against oppression. News about fake open models are fun in a sense because every time one of those pops up, some idiot is going to lose millions yadda yadda. But you are missing a very important point here: a permission structure is being built around us, and stopping it is absolutely crucial

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      • Bernie the WordsmithB Bernie the Wordsmith

        Look, we get it. AI sounds hot. We read the same science fiction books and it is nice to think that maybe one day LLM technology can be leveraged against oppression. News about fake open models are fun in a sense because every time one of those pops up, some idiot is going to lose millions yadda yadda. But you are missing a very important point here: a permission structure is being built around us, and stopping it is absolutely crucial

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        Every time you do a "both sides" stuff between "AI hypers and deniers" you are basically telling me that the person worried about the destruction of their life, their job and the environment has the level of delusion of a person like Peter Thiel, an eldritch horror in a vessel made of flesh that thinks humanity, umm, should not exist.

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        • Bernie the WordsmithB Bernie the Wordsmith

          Every time you do a "both sides" stuff between "AI hypers and deniers" you are basically telling me that the person worried about the destruction of their life, their job and the environment has the level of delusion of a person like Peter Thiel, an eldritch horror in a vessel made of flesh that thinks humanity, umm, should not exist.

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          This is Mastodon. There is people here that can install GotoSocial in a smart oven toaster and then proceed to launch it in low orbit just for fun. Please stop making allusions to technophobia. It's irritating and disrespectful

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          • Bernie the WordsmithB Bernie the Wordsmith

            This is Mastodon. There is people here that can install GotoSocial in a smart oven toaster and then proceed to launch it in low orbit just for fun. Please stop making allusions to technophobia. It's irritating and disrespectful

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            @berniethewordsmith Thank you for this outstanding thread. You've said everything I have wanted to say, but much more eloquently.

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            • Bernie the WordsmithB Bernie the Wordsmith

              Every time you do a "both sides" stuff between "AI hypers and deniers" you are basically telling me that the person worried about the destruction of their life, their job and the environment has the level of delusion of a person like Peter Thiel, an eldritch horror in a vessel made of flesh that thinks humanity, umm, should not exist.

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              @berniethewordsmith might be good to include that you're talking about (american, big-tech) LLMs

              We've used various forms of ML&AI for decades, everything from video-games to produce logistics and vaccine research. It's a group of technologies not singular thing (LLMs is not the whole group!)

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              • Bernie the WordsmithB Bernie the Wordsmith

                Every time you do a "both sides" stuff between "AI hypers and deniers" you are basically telling me that the person worried about the destruction of their life, their job and the environment has the level of delusion of a person like Peter Thiel, an eldritch horror in a vessel made of flesh that thinks humanity, umm, should not exist.

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                @berniethewordsmith I am more worried about the absolute mediocre output of ai. For some it might be 'good enough' and that is ok. Please do understand that for most of us 'good enough' is just below our standards. Don't let an ai that is 'good enough' drive your car or have an ai that is 'good enough' do your finances. Accidents will happen and those accidents will be very costly.

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                • Ada :v_trans: :v_pan:​I Ada :v_trans: :v_pan:​

                  @berniethewordsmith might be good to include that you're talking about (american, big-tech) LLMs

                  We've used various forms of ML&AI for decades, everything from video-games to produce logistics and vaccine research. It's a group of technologies not singular thing (LLMs is not the whole group!)

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                  @iamada Yes, I am referring specifically to this kind of Generative AI that is trying to be shoehorned everywhere. Alien Isolation is a good example of an AI in a videogame that is absolutely incredible. AI slop is not

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                  • Madeleine MorrisR Madeleine Morris

                    @berniethewordsmith Thank you for this outstanding thread. You've said everything I have wanted to say, but much more eloquently.

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                    @Remittancegirl Yw!

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                    • Ada :v_trans: :v_pan:​I Ada :v_trans: :v_pan:​

                      @berniethewordsmith might be good to include that you're talking about (american, big-tech) LLMs

                      We've used various forms of ML&AI for decades, everything from video-games to produce logistics and vaccine research. It's a group of technologies not singular thing (LLMs is not the whole group!)

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                      @iamada
                      Machine Learning has been around for a while and is proven technology. Indeed not to be mistaken for LLM's.
                      @berniethewordsmith

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                      • Frank HeijkampA Frank Heijkamp

                        @berniethewordsmith I am more worried about the absolute mediocre output of ai. For some it might be 'good enough' and that is ok. Please do understand that for most of us 'good enough' is just below our standards. Don't let an ai that is 'good enough' drive your car or have an ai that is 'good enough' do your finances. Accidents will happen and those accidents will be very costly.

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                        @alterelefant I also worry about this. There is certainly an effort to convince people to settle with "just ok" stuff

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                        • Frank HeijkampA Frank Heijkamp

                          @iamada
                          Machine Learning has been around for a while and is proven technology. Indeed not to be mistaken for LLM's.
                          @berniethewordsmith

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                          @alterelefant @iamada Yeah, I'm definitely referring to this LLM in the soup nightmare we are currently in

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                          • Bernie the WordsmithB Bernie the Wordsmith

                            @alterelefant @iamada Yeah, I'm definitely referring to this LLM in the soup nightmare we are currently in

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                            @berniethewordsmith
                            The output of an LLM has to be thoroughly checked by a subject matter expert. Failing to do so will make things go south very quickly.
                            @iamada

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                            • Bernie the WordsmithB Bernie the Wordsmith

                              @alterelefant I also worry about this. There is certainly an effort to convince people to settle with "just ok" stuff

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                              @berniethewordsmith That 'just ok' might work for certain cases and people also need to respect that it just doesn't work in other cases.

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                              • Frank HeijkampA Frank Heijkamp

                                @berniethewordsmith
                                The output of an LLM has to be thoroughly checked by a subject matter expert. Failing to do so will make things go south very quickly.
                                @iamada

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                                @iamada @alterelefant @berniethewordsmith which renders it useless. In fact worse than useless as time and effort of specialists is diverted from more useful work.

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                                • SebS Seb

                                  @iamada @alterelefant @berniethewordsmith which renders it useless. In fact worse than useless as time and effort of specialists is diverted from more useful work.

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                                  @seb321
                                  In some cases it might save a couple of minutes here and there but it is definitely not the revolution they try to make us believe it is. At least if you value the quality and correctness of your work.
                                  @iamada @berniethewordsmith

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                                  • SebS Seb

                                    @iamada @alterelefant @berniethewordsmith which renders it useless. In fact worse than useless as time and effort of specialists is diverted from more useful work.

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                                    @alterelefant @berniethewordsmith @iamada it reminds me of the scene in Blade Runner where Tyrell explains to Roy how his life is inhibited and any way around the inhibitor leads back to the same result. Any argument for how a flawed LLM can be used by human intervention renders the function obsolete.

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