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  • A arbitraryvalue@sh.itjust.works

    I don’t know if Tolkien’s notes support this, but I always assumed that Treebeard’s Entish name was something completely unpronounceable for anyone who isn’t an ent, and “Treebeard” was a nickname that he picked for himself. Maybe because he finds it funny that other species think he looks like a tree. (I’m sure that ents look clearly different from trees to other ents.)

    Edit: he says so himself.

    Hrum, now, well, I am an Ent, or that’s what they call me. Yes, Ent is the word. The Ent, I am, you might say, in your manner of speaking. Fangorn is my name according to some, Treebeard others make it. Treebeard will do.

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    LOGIC💣
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    Fangorn is my name according to some

    “Fangorn” means “Treebeard.”

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      tio_bira@lemmy.world
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      To be fair, sounds a bit weird when you speak his name in portuguese…

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        Fangorn is my name according to some

        “Fangorn” means “Treebeard.”

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        archpawn@lemmy.world
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        In Sindarin (the most common Elvish language), not Entish.

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        • P playfulkittykat@pawb.social

          Guy Beardsly

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          hakase@lemmy.zip
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          Beardy McBeardface

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            lath
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            Seriously, like Gandalf just means magic elf. So he’s just the magic elf that wears grey. Then he’s the magic elf that wears white.

            Names are just that, things we observe, want or expect.

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            • P papalonian@lemmy.world

              Guy who betrays everyone to side with Sauron: Sauron-man.

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              pastel_de_airfryer@lemmy.eco.br
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              In my headcanon, that’s not his real name. The books were written after the facts, so I imagine the writers wanted him to be remembered only as a Sauron henchman, erasing him from history.

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                quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
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                He also nearly named Celeborn Teleporno, which would have been awful amazing.

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                • R rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works

                  Hello, my name is Personface

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                  Sidhean
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                  I am Beefcake McIronribs, son of Beefcake McSteelribs

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                    Hello, my name is Personface

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                    edgemaster72@lemmy.world
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                    You killed my father

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                      dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                      It keeps blowing my mind when I learn that other languages haven’t obfuscated the meanings of names behind two thousand years of linguistic divergence.

                      Your name almost certainly means something basic too, you just don’t remember what it is.

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                      • L lath

                        Seriously, like Gandalf just means magic elf. So he’s just the magic elf that wears grey. Then he’s the magic elf that wears white.

                        Names are just that, things we observe, want or expect.

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                        dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                        Close.

                        It means elf with a stick.

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                          “Treebeard some call me” - it’s a nickname

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                          jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                          His actual name would likely take a month or longer to say.

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                          • P papalonian@lemmy.world

                            Guy who betrays everyone to side with Sauron: Sauron-man.

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                            crazylikegollum@lemmy.world
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                            Family who are very proud of their feet: Proudfeet

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                            • D dragontypewyvern@midwest.social

                              Close.

                              It means elf with a stick.

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                              pipes@sh.itjust.works
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                              Wand-elf?

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                                Wand-elf?

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                                dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                                That’s a possible translation but most people go with staff/stick for obvious reasons

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                                • D dragontypewyvern@midwest.social

                                  It keeps blowing my mind when I learn that other languages haven’t obfuscated the meanings of names behind two thousand years of linguistic divergence.

                                  Your name almost certainly means something basic too, you just don’t remember what it is.

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                                  balsoft@lemmy.ml
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                                  Yep. Some common names:

                                  Steve ← Steven ← Stephanus ← στέφανος = crown (or wealth)

                                  Linda ← -linde = tender, soft

                                  James ← Iacomus ← Iacobus ← Ἰάκωβος ← Ἰακώβ ← יַעֲקֹב = heel, footprint / follow, watch, observe

                                  Karen ← Catherine ← Αἰκατερίνη ← Ἑκάτη = one who works from far away (referring to a goddess)

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                                  • B balsoft@lemmy.ml

                                    Yep. Some common names:

                                    Steve ← Steven ← Stephanus ← στέφανος = crown (or wealth)

                                    Linda ← -linde = tender, soft

                                    James ← Iacomus ← Iacobus ← Ἰάκωβος ← Ἰακώβ ← יַעֲקֹב = heel, footprint / follow, watch, observe

                                    Karen ← Catherine ← Αἰκατερίνη ← Ἑκάτη = one who works from far away (referring to a goddess)

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                                    ilinamorato@lemmy.world
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                                    And “Tiffany” may sound like a very 20th-century American name, but it actually dates back to the early 13th century and is based on a Greek word that’s even older. The “Tiffany Problem” is a really interesting phenomenon in the anthropological/perceptual space based on that.

                                    Tiffany ← Tifinie ← Θεοφάνεια = “God’s arrival/appearance”

                                    It’s also more closely related to the name “Natalie” than you might think, at least etymologically.

                                    Natalie ←Natalia ←natale domini = “birth of the Lord” (Latin)

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                                      He also nearly named Celeborn Teleporno, which would have been awful amazing.

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                                      ilinamorato@lemmy.world
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                                      Not “nearly.” That’s actually his name in the “pretranslated” language that the book was “originally” written in, within the fiction.

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                                      • I ilinamorato@lemmy.world

                                        And “Tiffany” may sound like a very 20th-century American name, but it actually dates back to the early 13th century and is based on a Greek word that’s even older. The “Tiffany Problem” is a really interesting phenomenon in the anthropological/perceptual space based on that.

                                        Tiffany ← Tifinie ← Θεοφάνεια = “God’s arrival/appearance”

                                        It’s also more closely related to the name “Natalie” than you might think, at least etymologically.

                                        Natalie ←Natalia ←natale domini = “birth of the Lord” (Latin)

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                                        balsoft@lemmy.ml
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                                        I knew about Tiffany because of that CGP Grey video, but Natalie is interesting too!

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                                        • P pastel_de_airfryer@lemmy.eco.br

                                          In my headcanon, that’s not his real name. The books were written after the facts, so I imagine the writers wanted him to be remembered only as a Sauron henchman, erasing him from history.

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                                          ilinamorato@lemmy.world
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                                          Really, your headcanon has some precedent in the books. If Wormtongue had written the history, he literally would’ve called Gandalf “bad news.” And in fact, Saruman’s actual name was Curumo. …uh, or Curunir. Or Sharkey, or Tarindor, or…

                                          I mean, part of the problem is that every person (and place, and country, and river…) has like a half dozen names depending on who’s talking and what time or place they’re in. Gandalf himself is Greyhame, Gandalf, Stormcrow, and Lathspell in Rohan alone; and Mithrandir, Olorin, Incanus, and Tharkun to other people in Middle Earth.

                                          Aragorn and Strider and Elessar and Estel and Wingfoot and Longshanks are the same person in different contexts. Galadriel is also Alatariel and Artanis and Nerwen. Legolas is Laicolasse and Greenleaf (all three of which, in fairness, mean the same thing in different languages).

                                          And that’s before we even talk about what their names “really” were in the “original” Red Book of Westmarch, before Tolkien “translated” them to English. The “actual” sound that came out of Bilbo’s mouth when he introduced himself was Bilba Labingi, but Tolkien decided that the name Labingi “actually” would’ve sounded like the word for bag or sack to the “original hearers.” Likewise Frodo’s name is “translated” from Maura Labingi and Sam “actually” introduced himself as Banazir Galpsi.

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