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When will America realize that this is not a joke. They'll be laughing right up to the goosestepping.

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  • W wonderingwanderer

    How do you strike if you’re already unemployed? So many people are already losing their jobs to automation and AI.

    Also, one of the most insidious aspects of american healthcare is that by tying it to employment, people become utterly dependent on their employers. They lose a lot of leverage.

    How do you risk your livelihood when you have cancer or diabetes and your corporate benefits are the only way you can afford healthcare?

    Not to mention, most of the american workforce is not unionized. How do you organize a strike without workers unions?

    Plus, there is a precedent in recent history where congress can pass legislation making it illegal for workers to continue a strike. How that doesn’t qualify as forced labor, is beyond me.

    So you see, there are many roadblocks to having an effective strike in the US, especially when the american system has been designed over the decades and centuries specifically to advance and protect the interests of the wealthy elite.

    It’s not about making excuses, it’s about acknowledging the practical realities that get in the way of progress.

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    beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    To add to that yeah, there’s a lot of guns in this country. In a lot of people’s hands. Including those OKAY with all this.

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    • heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.worldH heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.world

      if we are relying on legal processes, we wait until midterms, magically retake the house and enough of the senate to impeach and unseat. that places the speaker of the house (not maga) in.

      if we are relying on extralegal methods, we really ought to have better operational security than to discuss it on the internet. so…

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      beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      #156

      That’s the thing, you won’t find the resistance units online at all if they’re smart. Can’t even take a turned off cellphone with you, we really should have studied more of the French and Norwegian resistances as well as other countries need to do what they did to Germany in WWII.

      Edit: A missed word that changes a lot.

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      • B beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone

        That’s practically impossible for majority of people in the USA. Even to get to Canada is a long, arduous process with lots of trips and cost associated with it if they want you.

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        velindora@lemmy.cafe
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        #157

        Well, being a desirable person does help the process. If you’ll be a drain on their economy, you’re not likely to be accepted.

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        • V velindora@lemmy.cafe

          Well, being a desirable person does help the process. If you’ll be a drain on their economy, you’re not likely to be accepted.

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          beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          Which about a third of America is poor, poorly educated, and might not have marketable skills. Canada also seems more focused on bringing in healthcare professionals right now.

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          • B beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone

            Which about a third of America is poor, poorly educated, and might not have marketable skills. Canada also seems more focused on bringing in healthcare professionals right now.

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            velindora@lemmy.cafe
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            That’s how I’m jumping the line. 😅🏥

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            • B beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone

              To add to that yeah, there’s a lot of guns in this country. In a lot of people’s hands. Including those OKAY with all this.

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              wonderingwanderer
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              And the rittenhouse case shows that in america, you can get away with shooting/murdering protesters, if you’re a white conservative.

              But a liberal counter-protester bringing a gun to a trump rally? Not even white privilege will protect you at that point…

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              • R rarsamx@lemmy.ca

                I am Mexican Canadian.

                Mexico hasn’t forgotten about all the stolen territory. Yes, they call it sale and secession and whatever, it was stolen.

                If I put a gun to your head and ask you to sell me a property you have for $10. You are going to do it. I’d say I purchased it. I’m sure you’ll say I stole it.

                So, why do disagree?

                Because of the wise reflection of “first they came for the…”

                Well. If we don’t stand against them taking over Venezuela, who is going to stand with us when they try to take over us (Greenland, Canada, Mexico and the rest)

                The manifest Destiny is no joke.

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                gammelfisch@lemmy.world
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                indeed and the Alamo was setup to fail to create an excuse to invade Mexico. There were more Texas-Mexicans defending the Alamo than Caucasians.

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                • MichaelM Michael

                  and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba

                  Could you provide a source for this claim?

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                  faythofdragons@slrpnk.net
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                  It’s no secret that the US offered free flights to Cubans that disagreed with Castro, and this resulted in a large population of Cuban-Americans that want Cuba to go back to the “Cuba of Yesterday”

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                  • E eldritchfeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                    Except that the US government and corporations have spent the years since convincing the people that there’s a right way to protest, and that it’s by holding signs on a street corner - preferably out of view. This is why MLK was seen as a violent thug during the Civil Rights Movement and is seen as a hero today. Their struggle has been whitewashed to remove what actually happened and turned into an example of changing things the “right way” - by gently asking your oppressors to stop oppressing you. The US is one of the most propagandized populations on the planet. Our children pledge their undying loyalty every morning to the flag that hangs in every classroom. The only other countries on Earth to have done that are North Korea and the Hitler’s Youth program in Nazi Germany.

                    They’ve also gutted any form of support network for the same reason. The US populace is staunchly anti-union because companies have convinced us that worker’s rights are bad. They’ve made everybody dependent on keeping their job to keep food on the table and a roof over their head, of course, but also to see a doctor if you have a fever. And God forbid it’s anything worse than that. It’s bread and circuses with a dash of the Sword of Damocles.

                    So not only do we have to convince people to risk their lives to fight a fascist regime and their police force that is armed as well as many countries military, we have to convince the pearl clutchers that snarky taglines on signs aren’t going to solve things, and reconstruct support networks that haven’t existed for over half a century, and prevent the 45% of the population who support the fascists from voluntarily drafting themselves to root out any resistance, if not start shooting them in the streets. The FBI spends half their time putting down white supremacist militias. All they’d have to do is stop doing that and let the Trump regime do the rest by tweeting from the toilet at 3am. Those most likely to take up arms against the system are the same people who support the current system.

                    The average person isn’t brave enough to risk their life. If they were, we’d see Canadians coming down to burn down the White House again. We’d see Mexicans crossing the southern border. We’d see aid networks forming from other countries to provide support for anybody willing to resist. But we don’t and we won’t. And I don’t mean that in a “other countries should solve American problems” way, but that people in other countries are just as likely to say, “Not my fight, not my problem. Somebody else should deal with it” as Americans are. It’s human nature. If it wasn’t, we’d see more people taking out healthcare CEOs. More people would’ve supported the IRA. We’d have far more examples instead of Blair Mountain and the Haymarket Affair.

                    It’s easy for the armchair generals of the world to say that Americans should just arm themselves and go to war against the largest military on the planet when it isn’t their necks on the line.

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                    regedit@lemmy.zip
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                    Thank you. Really tired of the whole ‘do something’ when the very system, propaganda machine, and half the population is conditioned to fight their neighbors because of lies about who those neighbors are or what those neighbors believe. We have a population that will attempt a coup over a lie no one can prove with evidence, but support the side lying to them about it all when they’re told to look the other way about this regimes many crimes.

                    The armchair warriors around the world are tired of the inaction from Americans? Try living here and needing to fight against the fascism while half the country tries to stop you to own the libs. It’s fucking exhausting. I’ve lost friends and family to their bullshit excuses of essentially if they’re not doing anything wrong, then they have nothing to worry about. We’re fucking pissed, too, but short of calling, writing, voting, protesting, and trying to engage and help our communities, what should we do?

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                    • A asg101@lemmy.ca

                      Anyone who thinks warmongering, fascism, and terrorism are unAmerican has not read much American history. The U.S.A was founded on genocide, grown on slavery, and has oligarchy baked in to their constitution. Hitler studied the way the U.S. treated indigenous and black people to form his genocide plans, and Israel has built on both the U.S. and Nazi examples for their treatment of Palestine.

                      The beat goes on.

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                      swingingthelamp@midwest.social
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                      What people hear when you say things like this: Ah, so this is business as usual, and while it sucks for the people affected, keeping my head down should continue working to keep me out of trouble. I’m powerless to fix this stuff, anyway, so I should just dissociate and worry about my own problems.

                      And then they don’t show up for elections…

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                      • W wonderingwanderer

                        And the rittenhouse case shows that in america, you can get away with shooting/murdering protesters, if you’re a white conservative.

                        But a liberal counter-protester bringing a gun to a trump rally? Not even white privilege will protect you at that point…

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                        beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                        There was an antifa member who was killed by US Marshals under Trump’s first term. He wasn’t allowed to surrender, he was killed on the spot.

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                        • P prototypez9er@lemmynsfw.com

                          Dear Canada:

                          Issue a warrant for Miller and his fascist wife and abduct them in the middle of the night.

                          Apparently we will just go with it now.

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                          swingingthelamp@midwest.social
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                          The tiny news item a few months ago about Miller and family moving out of his suburban house and onto a military base with the flimsy excuse about feeling threatened by sidewalk chalk doesn’t seem so amusing now.

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                          • K kent_eh@lemmy.ca

                            and no single person can solve the problem.

                            That’s a big part of their problem. They keep thinking about individual actions instead of coming together and acting as a group toward a common goal.

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                            swingingthelamp@midwest.social
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                            Remember what Obama did to Occupy Wall Street? That’s what happens when Americans organize. It’s only worse now.

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                            • B beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                              And a lot of people outside the USA looking in don’t realize the social dynamics. I want to stop this, but a lot needs to happen first as lone wolfing just gets you labeled a terrorists and extra judicially killed.

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                              swingingthelamp@midwest.social
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                              Organizing also gets you labeled as terrorists. Just ask CAIR, and soon many others.

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                              • T teppichbrand@feddit.org

                                Covid didn’t stop them when it was already in their homes destroying their lungs. This cult scares me, you can’t fight the insanity, it makes them stronger if you do. What do we do?

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                                regedit@lemmy.zip
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                                If you listen to those with no skin in the game, the answer is easy, we’re just lazy, see? What sucks is that this problem is in the final chapters of the story, but many of us who want to do more are fighting the complacent populations of previous and current generations’ inaction. We didn’t make the mess alone, but now it’s all on us to fix it.

                                To those with that attitude toward the American population, doing what they can to push back, they can go ahead and eat my whole ass. To those of you doing what you can, while balancing your very survival, keep pushing and ignore the fuckers trying to shame you. Every act of resistance, no matter how small, furthers your cause. We need to remember this, always.

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                                • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

                                  Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.

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                                  tehn00bi@lemmy.world
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                                  Canadians? Shit, this should invoke and article 5 of NATO.

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                                  • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

                                    Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.

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                                    circav@lemmy.ca
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                                    #171

                                    And Canadas next. This is not a drill. The orange shitgibbon and followers are not joking. Canadians will need to defend this country ourselves - even as our leaders continue to appease and suck up to the rogue US regime.

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                                    • T thanksobama@sh.itjust.works

                                      There is still hope…

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                                      tehn00bi@lemmy.world
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                                      I’d like a faster processor.

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                                      • T thanksobama@sh.itjust.works

                                        There is still hope…

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                                        circav@lemmy.ca
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                                        This is the only answer.

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                                        • C Cethin

                                          I don’t, but also I’m fucking doing it. It takes all of five minutes. You’ve got the time to do it. You might as well. It can only help. It won’t solve the problem, but it will make it harder for them.

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                                          fartographer@lemmy.world
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                                          I’m gonna vote, too, even though I fully expect to be arrested at some point for TDS because I voted for someone he didn’t endorse.

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