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As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

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  • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

    As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

    Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

    Moses IzumiM This user is from outside of this forum
    Moses IzumiM This user is from outside of this forum
    Moses Izumi
    wrote on last edited by
    #19
    @rgegriff The window managers (I've mainly used XFCE and KDE) have a lot of nifty features: stuff that could've been implemented during Windows 8 if it was designed by the Powertoys and Sysinternals people instead of a coked-up touchscreen salesman.

    The Metro environment worked kinda well on tablets, but I'm still shocked that Microsoft completely ignored the ramifications of forcing a half-baked parallel ecosystem of fullscreen-only applications onto every desktop, and replacing the startmenu with a fullscreen version.

    My dad still gets fired up when reminded of the Windows RT situation: MS ported the entire OS to energy efficient ARM systems only to ban them from running any desktop software beyond Office and the mediocre pack-in stuff (because they didn't allow desktop apps on the Windows Store).

    The Copilot push is arguably less agressive, in the sense that it seems to be sequestered to action buttons in applications, along with the telemetry/spyware/adware that's been active by default since 10.
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    • Matt CrawfordT Matt Crawford

      @kevinrns @T045T @rgegriff Ironically I guess I'm very naive to this, considering I couldn't update off windows 10 due to old hardware so migrated fully to Linux anyway last year.

      Andrew DeaconA This user is from outside of this forum
      Andrew DeaconA This user is from outside of this forum
      Andrew Deacon
      wrote on last edited by
      #20

      @thecrawford @kevinrns @T045T @rgegriff I migrated to Linux (linuxmint) when Windows 7 died, I looked at Win8 and said no way.I have not used Windows since then.(and I don’t miss it)

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      • fabiosantoscodeF fabiosantoscode

        @sungo @rgegriff if corporations are people, why aren't hundreds of them in jail?

        Jordan BiserkovJ This user is from outside of this forum
        Jordan BiserkovJ This user is from outside of this forum
        Jordan Biserkov
        wrote on last edited by
        #21

        @fabiosantoscode @sungo @rgegriff
        Because they use their money as “free speech“ to bribe politicians.
        if that sounds like the incoherent ramblings of a conspiracy theorist check out this Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

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        • Andrew DeaconA Andrew Deacon

          @thecrawford @kevinrns @T045T @rgegriff I migrated to Linux (linuxmint) when Windows 7 died, I looked at Win8 and said no way.I have not used Windows since then.(and I don’t miss it)

          Matt CrawfordT This user is from outside of this forum
          Matt CrawfordT This user is from outside of this forum
          Matt Crawford
          wrote on last edited by
          #22

          @aadeacon @kevinrns @T045T @rgegriff I skipped 8, but still mostly use my pc for gaming which, until recently, could only be done on windows.

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          • Andrew DeaconA Andrew Deacon

            @thecrawford @kevinrns @T045T @rgegriff I migrated to Linux (linuxmint) when Windows 7 died, I looked at Win8 and said no way.I have not used Windows since then.(and I don’t miss it)

            Kevin RussellK This user is from outside of this forum
            Kevin RussellK This user is from outside of this forum
            Kevin Russell
            wrote on last edited by
            #23

            @aadeacon @thecrawford @T045T @rgegriff

            #Linux loves immigrants.

            🐧 ❤️ 🫵

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            • Kevin RussellK Kevin Russell

              @aadeacon @thecrawford @T045T @rgegriff

              #Linux loves immigrants.

              🐧 ❤️ 🫵

              Matt CrawfordT This user is from outside of this forum
              Matt CrawfordT This user is from outside of this forum
              Matt Crawford
              wrote on last edited by
              #24

              @kevinrns @aadeacon @T045T @rgegriff I've been using it on and off for work for a decade, just never on my personal devices.

              I've recently migrated a second hand intel MacBook to fedora as it was cheap now they've announced the drop of support for them!

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              • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

                Mandrake 🐎M This user is from outside of this forum
                Mandrake 🐎M This user is from outside of this forum
                Mandrake 🐎
                wrote on last edited by
                #25

                @rgegriff Microsoft is literally telling their users that they need to throw their computers in the trash and buy a brand new one during the middle of a RAM price hike so that they can continue watching YouTube and playing Balatro

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                • Kevin RussellK Kevin Russell

                  @aadeacon @thecrawford @T045T @rgegriff

                  #Linux loves immigrants.

                  🐧 ❤️ 🫵

                  Andrew DeaconA This user is from outside of this forum
                  Andrew DeaconA This user is from outside of this forum
                  Andrew Deacon
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #26

                  @kevinrns @thecrawford @T045T @rgegriff I love immigrants, which is a good thing as I live in Leicester

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                  • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                    As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                    Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

                    David GerardD This user is from outside of this forum
                    David GerardD This user is from outside of this forum
                    David Gerard
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #27

                    @rgegriff look, the whole *point* of running linux is so i know none of my shit works but also *why*

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                    • Andrew DeaconA Andrew Deacon

                      @kevinrns @thecrawford @T045T @rgegriff I love immigrants, which is a good thing as I live in Leicester

                      Kevin RussellK This user is from outside of this forum
                      Kevin RussellK This user is from outside of this forum
                      Kevin Russell
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                      #28

                      @aadeacon @thecrawford @T045T @rgegriff

                      The Irish and Scots welcomed Celtic immigrants when they came.

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                      • David GerardD David Gerard

                        @rgegriff look, the whole *point* of running linux is so i know none of my shit works but also *why*

                        d@nny disc@ mc²H This user is from outside of this forum
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                        d@nny disc@ mc²
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                        #29

                        @davidgerard @rgegriff the people responsible for my sorrow have names and email addresses

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                        • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                          As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                          Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

                          CrowsingerC This user is from outside of this forum
                          CrowsingerC This user is from outside of this forum
                          Crowsinger
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                          #30

                          @rgegriff Evil. They’re doing evil in evil ways.

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                          • Matt CrawfordT Matt Crawford

                            @T045T @rgegriff are they vibe coding updates?

                            The Tattooed Nonna 👑T This user is from outside of this forum
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                            The Tattooed Nonna 👑
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #31

                            @thecrawford @T045T @rgegriff slop coding.

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                            • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                              As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                              Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

                              Rupert ReynoldsR This user is from outside of this forum
                              Rupert ReynoldsR This user is from outside of this forum
                              Rupert Reynolds
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #32

                              @rgegriff Power corrupts. MS acts as though it owns our hardware and data, and has the right to open a tap on our bank accounts, when and as often as it likes, witholding access if we don't do what we're told.

                              Echoing Doctorow's words, the 1990s Internet connected us *directly* with things we wanted to access. MS, Amazon, Google, Facebook and so on try to insert themselves between us and the things we want, free of charge at first until there is a cost of leaving, then they slowly turn the thumbscrews, charging us for what we once had freely.

                              We don't need them. But they are good at confusing us.

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                              • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                                As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                                Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

                                abbiistabbii :nya:A This user is from outside of this forum
                                abbiistabbii :nya:A This user is from outside of this forum
                                abbiistabbii :nya:
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #33

                                @rgegriff@masto.hackers.town Point them to Linux Mint.

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                                • clewC clew

                                  Don’t know enough to guess but I’m curious. What?

                                  (BeOS. An unsecured login to a FORTRAN server somewhere in Mountain Time. Your Lenovo refrigerator, overclocked. ??)

                                  @SoftwareTheron
                                  @rgegriff

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                                  DeterioratedStucco
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #34

                                  @clew
                                  Ubuntu... sorry to be so boring.

                                  The Lenovo box would at least have the advantage of good cooling systems, I suppose.

                                  @rgegriff

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                                  • S DeterioratedStucco

                                    @clew
                                    Ubuntu... sorry to be so boring.

                                    The Lenovo box would at least have the advantage of good cooling systems, I suppose.

                                    @rgegriff

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                                    clew
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #35

                                    And some of them have big screens and the snacks are _right there_.

                                    @SoftwareTheron @rgegriff

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                                    • sungoS sungo

                                      @rgegriff If corporations were actually people, I'd have called for a mental health check on microsoft a long time ago. Something is not right up in that brain pan and they need some new meds or to break up with that abusive lover or something. Shit ain't right.

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                                      Offbeatmammal
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                                      #36

                                      @sungo @rgegriff Satya came in with new age buzzword bingo, focussed on abstract "engineering excellence" while missing the fundamentals (SDET roles). Weirdly the politics became more entrenched and bitter, people focussed on metrics rather than long term goals and no matter how much puck chasing goes on the SLT still think they are smarter than everyone else

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                                      • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                                        As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                                        Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

                                        OblomovO This user is from outside of this forum
                                        OblomovO This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Oblomov
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #37

                                        @rgegriff there really is no hope. FLOSS enthusiasts have been trying to keep the common user away from Linux by being the most obnoxiously unbearable smart alecks in the computing world, and by breaking fundamental APIs and user-facing interfaces in the most nonsensical ways, and these decades of work are going to fly out of the window because Microsoft can't be arsed to make a simple boring OS anymore. There really is no winning again them.

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                                        • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                                          As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                                          Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

                                          Rob Cinos :verified:R This user is from outside of this forum
                                          Rob Cinos :verified:R This user is from outside of this forum
                                          Rob Cinos :verified:
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #38

                                          @rgegriff It's bad. From forced AI, total recall (which takes regular screenshots of user history) and black screens of death, Microsoft screwed up this release of Win 11 beyond previous mistakes.

                                          They forced everyone onto Win 11 years earlier than their usual product cycle.

                                          Demanded TPM and Microsoft accounts at the beginning too.

                                          But the worst is knowing that they'll sell your data to the stormtroopers.

                                          That's a deal breaker for anyone, even if they're not tech oriented.

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