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  • FediThing 🏳️‍🌈F FediThing 🏳️‍🌈

    @cstross

    What are they going to blame after leaving the ECHR? Are they going to scapegoat a minority and say that Brexit now requires "removing" that minority?

    The ECHR is the only thing giving people in the UK any human rights. If the UK leaves it, then there would no longer be any human rights in Britain. All there would be are assorted laws that parliament would be totally free to revoke and replace with whatever they want, including 1930s-style stuff.

    The lack of a written constitution or powerful second chamber in the UK combined with fascists leading the polls is putting Britain in an incredibly dangerous situation.

    HighlandLawyerH This user is from outside of this forum
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    @FediThing @cstross
    Well obviously all the people in the detention camps will be those to blame. And if you asking awkward questions about the camps, you obviously should be sent to them too. England Prevails!

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    • Feral FireD Feral Fire

      @markdennehy @cstross you think these people give a suffering fig for Nordie Land?

      It didn't enter their calculations and machinations in 2016, it "robbed" them of their Glorious Sunlit Uplands in 2020, it is an irritation to them, nothing more.

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      @dgold @cstross I mean, not to be mean about it, but that's a case of hoist by their own petard...

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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        @raymaccarthy @FediThing Yes, although adopting it is mandatory for EU membership: the Brexiters are somehow convinced that they want rid of it (despite it initially being called for by their object of veneration Winston Churchill.)

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        @cstross @raymaccarthy @FediThing
        And more or less written by (the Tory) David Maxwell-Fyfe, Earl of Kilmuir. Who also insisted that it should have its own court, to prevent national governments bypassing it. For all that he was an unpleasant (& homophobic) right-winger, he was damn sure after prosecuting cases at Nuremberg that he didn't want the Nazis rising again anywhere.

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        • Bruce HeerssenB Bruce Heerssen

          @angusm @cstross
          Look, if you don't have an Armada of Ships of the Line, then you don't have a proper empire.

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          @bruce @angusm @cstross well can we at least tie people we don’t like across cannons and fire them? Land of hope and gory.

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          • FediThing 🏳️‍🌈F FediThing 🏳️‍🌈

            @cstross

            What are they going to blame after leaving the ECHR? Are they going to scapegoat a minority and say that Brexit now requires "removing" that minority?

            The ECHR is the only thing giving people in the UK any human rights. If the UK leaves it, then there would no longer be any human rights in Britain. All there would be are assorted laws that parliament would be totally free to revoke and replace with whatever they want, including 1930s-style stuff.

            The lack of a written constitution or powerful second chamber in the UK combined with fascists leading the polls is putting Britain in an incredibly dangerous situation.

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            @cstross @FediThing but instead they’d have British rights, at the sufferance of whatever British Bill of Rights parliament saw fit to pass. Which would be inherently superior to the current arrangement because it has British in the name, obviously

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            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

              Today's headlines in the Daily Express!

              The "Give Us a Proper Brexit" crusade calls for leaving the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), slashing red tape for businesses and enforcing a 12-mile exclusion zone around the UK for British vessels only.

              Brexit is a utopian revolutionary project, and like all URPs it can never be achieved! Juche Britannia! Consign Earth to the Dustbin of History! The People Struggle for Brexit! &c.

              Revolutions are *hungry*.

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              @cstross Was that only British flagged vessels within 12 miles? Because that would be rather problematic for things like international trade, ferries....

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              • arrbeeR arrbee

                @angusm @cstross
                I suspect the real real Brexiters won't be happy until the UK is a vassal state of the USA - although I suspect we would end up with the same status as Puerto Rico.

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                @rogerb @angusm @cstross I remember that situation being part of a novel setup. Can’t remember the title, I think it was a late A.C. Clarke work. The UK governor used the title of ‘prime minister’ though.

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                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                  Today's headlines in the Daily Express!

                  The "Give Us a Proper Brexit" crusade calls for leaving the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), slashing red tape for businesses and enforcing a 12-mile exclusion zone around the UK for British vessels only.

                  Brexit is a utopian revolutionary project, and like all URPs it can never be achieved! Juche Britannia! Consign Earth to the Dustbin of History! The People Struggle for Brexit! &c.

                  Revolutions are *hungry*.

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                  bogosity
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                  @cstross
                  It won't be a "proper" Brexit until they kick out all those damn immigrant Normans. And maybe the Angles and Saxons too.

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                  • WellsiteGeoW WellsiteGeo

                    @rootwyrm @aadeacon @cstross
                    30 years of public contempt and humiliation is nowhere *near* long enough. Why give them the ease of an early death?

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                    @WellsiteGeo @aadeacon @cstross hey now, I never said ANYTHING about there not being 30 years of public contempt and repeated humiliation *first*...

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                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                      Today's headlines in the Daily Express!

                      The "Give Us a Proper Brexit" crusade calls for leaving the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), slashing red tape for businesses and enforcing a 12-mile exclusion zone around the UK for British vessels only.

                      Brexit is a utopian revolutionary project, and like all URPs it can never be achieved! Juche Britannia! Consign Earth to the Dustbin of History! The People Struggle for Brexit! &c.

                      Revolutions are *hungry*.

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                      @cstross Communism ^H^H^H^H^H^H Brexit can never fail. It can only BE failed!

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                      • Bruno NicolettiB Bruno Nicoletti

                        @petealexharris @Remittancegirl @angusm @cstross Quoting Sergio Caneva, writing in 1973, describing Italian Fascism in his book documenting the history of partisans in the Veneto (my translation).

                        “Fascism was neither an idea nor a doctrine, it was just a big cloud of soot created to defend the interest of the land owners and industrialists ... with the abuse of the word ‘fatherland’.”

                        History rhyming and all that.

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                        @bjn

                        Yep: "Fascism is the continuation of capitalism by undemocratic means".

                        @petealexharris @Remittancegirl @angusm @cstross

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                        • winden^capsule^batman.groupW winden^capsule^batman.group

                          @cstross is that 12 mile exclusion zone the same they added in the 28 days later sequel??

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                          @winden @cstross And they took us down in the Republic of Ireland with them. I’m still not over it.

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                          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                            Today's headlines in the Daily Express!

                            The "Give Us a Proper Brexit" crusade calls for leaving the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), slashing red tape for businesses and enforcing a 12-mile exclusion zone around the UK for British vessels only.

                            Brexit is a utopian revolutionary project, and like all URPs it can never be achieved! Juche Britannia! Consign Earth to the Dustbin of History! The People Struggle for Brexit! &c.

                            Revolutions are *hungry*.

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                            @cstross At least they had the zence (or illiteracy) to put girbels around 'betrayal'

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                            • RobrabM Robrab

                              @bruce @angusm @cstross well can we at least tie people we don’t like across cannons and fire them? Land of hope and gory.

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                              @MortonRobD @angusm @cstross

                              Shooting human limbs out of cannons would do a lot of damage to enemy sails.

                              Just something to think about.

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