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Mastercard, Visa Under Fire As Petition To 'Not Police' Legal Content Blows Up [petition on Change.org, currently 203K signatures] [direct link in comments]

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  • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca

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    MasterCard and Visa are interfering with legal entertainment — often under pressure from advocacy groups who want to censor what they deem "Problematic". We demand an end to this censorship of fiction, and the right to choose the stories we enjoy without moral policing.  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MasterCard and Visa have increasingly used

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    Mastercard, Visa Under Fire As Petition To 'Not Police' Legal Content Blows Up

    The petition addressed that MasterCard and Visa must stop censoring legal fictional content that complies with the law and platform standards.

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    funkyfarmington@lemmy.world
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    Payment processors need to STAY IN THEIR OWN FUCKING LANE!

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    • G gwaer@lemmy.world

      Does anywhere list numbers to call to do the same thing but about unnecessary censorship?

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      Have one of them! There’s dozens of posts about this on Bluesky, you could really pick if you wanted.

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      • G gwaer@lemmy.world

        Does anywhere list numbers to call to do the same thing but about unnecessary censorship?

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        TʜᴇʀᴀᴘʏGⒶʀʏ⁽ᵗʰᵉʸ‘ᵗʰᵉᵐ⁾
        wrote last edited by therapygary@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        #14

        One-tap dial phone numbers:

        Master card

        • US + Can English
          (skips card number input)

        • Global


        Visa

        • US English

        PayPal

        • US English
          Say “make a complaint”

        • Global


        Stripe (unconfirmed)

        • US English

        Script:

        I’m calling to urge [company name] to immediately end the policy that unfairly targets the adult content industry. I’m also asking that [company name] sit down with stakeholders- specifically sex workers and adult content creators- to develop solutions that ensure equitable access to financial services, create stability, and reduce harm for sex workers.

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        • dblsaiko2 dblsaiko

          FWIW for itch.io the main issue is specifically Stripe this time according to one of their employees.

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          Final Remix
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          Stripe fuckin’ sucks for that. I’ve run into them pulling shit over hot sauce and other completely innocuous stuff over the years.

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          • G gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works

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            lovecanada@lemmy.ca
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            Lol. Yeah I closed it. But declaring bankruptcy is more fun.

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            • F Final Remix

              Stripe fuckin’ sucks for that. I’ve run into them pulling shit over hot sauce and other completely innocuous stuff over the years.

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              dblsaiko
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              Hot sauce? Wtf?

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              • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca

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                MasterCard and Visa are interfering with legal entertainment — often under pressure from advocacy groups who want to censor what they deem "Problematic". We demand an end to this censorship of fiction, and the right to choose the stories we enjoy without moral policing.  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MasterCard and Visa have increasingly used

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                Mastercard, Visa Under Fire As Petition To 'Not Police' Legal Content Blows Up

                The petition addressed that MasterCard and Visa must stop censoring legal fictional content that complies with the law and platform standards.

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                International Business Times UK (www.ibtimes.co.uk)

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                ikidd@lemmy.world
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                A petition is useless. There needs to be an opposing organization whose members do exactly what these other asshats to, and call and write letters to the payment processors threatening boycotts and publicity.

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                • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca

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                  MasterCard and Visa are interfering with legal entertainment — often under pressure from advocacy groups who want to censor what they deem "Problematic". We demand an end to this censorship of fiction, and the right to choose the stories we enjoy without moral policing.  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MasterCard and Visa have increasingly used

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                  Mastercard, Visa Under Fire As Petition To 'Not Police' Legal Content Blows Up

                  The petition addressed that MasterCard and Visa must stop censoring legal fictional content that complies with the law and platform standards.

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                  International Business Times UK (www.ibtimes.co.uk)

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                  coolmatt@lemmy.ca
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                  #19

                  Okay I’m stupid.

                  What’s wrong with removing rape and incest games from Steam?

                  Edit: Thank you all for your answers, I was nervous to ask the question incase I would come off as a troll or ass hole or something and piss everyone off. They are very informative and have given me much to read and think about.

                  Justas🇱🇹J toomanypancakesT D I 𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠C 6 Replies Last reply
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                  • C coolmatt@lemmy.ca

                    Okay I’m stupid.

                    What’s wrong with removing rape and incest games from Steam?

                    Edit: Thank you all for your answers, I was nervous to ask the question incase I would come off as a troll or ass hole or something and piss everyone off. They are very informative and have given me much to read and think about.

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                    Justas🇱🇹
                    wrote last edited by
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                    First, they will remove rape and incest, then they will remove all LGBT games, then they will remove all nsfw, and then they will remove all violent games and so on until only the games deemed acceptable by the US evangelicals are left.

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                    • C coolmatt@lemmy.ca

                      Okay I’m stupid.

                      What’s wrong with removing rape and incest games from Steam?

                      Edit: Thank you all for your answers, I was nervous to ask the question incase I would come off as a troll or ass hole or something and piss everyone off. They are very informative and have given me much to read and think about.

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                      toomanypancakes
                      wrote last edited by toomanypancakes@piefed.world
                      #21

                      The issue is payment processors unilaterally revoking access to content based on what they (or a conservative hate group with a telephone campaign) personally find morally impermissable.

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                      • Justas🇱🇹J Justas🇱🇹

                        First, they will remove rape and incest, then they will remove all LGBT games, then they will remove all nsfw, and then they will remove all violent games and so on until only the games deemed acceptable by the US evangelicals are left.

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                        coolmatt@lemmy.ca
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                        Woah, so I know you’re not saying rape and incest is part of LGBT, but that sentence kinda made the jump. How did we get from rape and incest to LGBT? Why can’t just rape and incest be removed and stop there?

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                        • toomanypancakesT toomanypancakes

                          The issue is payment processors unilaterally revoking access to content based on what they (or a conservative hate group with a telephone campaign) personally find morally impermissable.

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                          coolmatt@lemmy.ca
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                          Well not sure about you, but I’d like to agree rape and incest is pretty fucked up so yeah it probably should be removed, so why should people have to see that on their computers in the first place?

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                          • C coolmatt@lemmy.ca

                            Woah, so I know you’re not saying rape and incest is part of LGBT, but that sentence kinda made the jump. How did we get from rape and incest to LGBT? Why can’t just rape and incest be removed and stop there?

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                            sabinstargem@lemmy.today
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                            Conservative movements are not known for their restraint and fairness. They cannot be trusted to not abuse people.

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                            • C coolmatt@lemmy.ca

                              Okay I’m stupid.

                              What’s wrong with removing rape and incest games from Steam?

                              Edit: Thank you all for your answers, I was nervous to ask the question incase I would come off as a troll or ass hole or something and piss everyone off. They are very informative and have given me much to read and think about.

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                              daggity@lemmy.zip
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                              Republicans are already classifying anything they don’t like as obscene pornography and finding ways to ban it. There’s been a surge in book bans in American schools, for example. From July to December 2023, PEN America found that more than 4,300 books were removed from schools across 23 states. Many of the targeted titles feature LGBTQ+ characters. Works that address rape and sexual assault are also increasingly being targeted. So don’t be fooled by Project 2025’s preoccupation with porn. The far right aren’t interested in the exploitation of women, they’re interested in controlling exactly what it means to be a woman. This isn’t a crusade against porn, it’s a crusade against progress.

                              Porn bans are a wedge used by conservatives to widen the criteria once the ban is in place.

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                              • C coolmatt@lemmy.ca

                                Well not sure about you, but I’d like to agree rape and incest is pretty fucked up so yeah it probably should be removed, so why should people have to see that on their computers in the first place?

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                                toomanypancakes
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                                I’m not a fan of the games. I also know that these groups also consider certain people, like lgbt people, to be just as morally impermissable. If this is acceptable for them to do, why not censor all queer content for the same groups? Where does it stop?

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                                • C coolmatt@lemmy.ca

                                  Woah, so I know you’re not saying rape and incest is part of LGBT, but that sentence kinda made the jump. How did we get from rape and incest to LGBT? Why can’t just rape and incest be removed and stop there?

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                                  lost_faith
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                                  The platforms do this when found or reported already. This is the first they came for (group A) then they come for (group B) etc. I don’t think they meant that rape/incest = lgbt(note the comma in their comment), it looks like they are saying that when this is successful the companies will then get “complaints” about LGBT games and they would get removed, then the violent games etc.

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                                  • C coolmatt@lemmy.ca

                                    Okay I’m stupid.

                                    What’s wrong with removing rape and incest games from Steam?

                                    Edit: Thank you all for your answers, I was nervous to ask the question incase I would come off as a troll or ass hole or something and piss everyone off. They are very informative and have given me much to read and think about.

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                                    ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml
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                                    #28

                                    It opens the door to removing any number of games for any other number of reasons.

                                    Remember the war on violent video games? Maybe not, but there are tons of people who think that violent video games cause people to be violent which has been proven to not be the case, yet people still parrot it like it’s true. It could easily escalate to that.

                                    Also, they already went after ALL NSFW games on itch.io with all of those games being removed, so it’s already getting worse right before our very eyes.

                                    If you don’t see how it can escalate from here then I don’t really know what to say.

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                                    • C coolmatt@lemmy.ca

                                      Well not sure about you, but I’d like to agree rape and incest is pretty fucked up so yeah it probably should be removed, so why should people have to see that on their computers in the first place?

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                                      blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca
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                                      This content occurs in the Bible, should it also be banned from sale?

                                      What about old plays that contain similar content?

                                      What about art that contains it?

                                      The point is that visa and mastercard should not be policing it, if is legal to own you should be allowed to buy it.

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                                      • C coolmatt@lemmy.ca

                                        Well not sure about you, but I’d like to agree rape and incest is pretty fucked up so yeah it probably should be removed, so why should people have to see that on their computers in the first place?

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                                        atlas@sh.itjust.works
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                                        you’re missing the point.

                                        yes, that content is despicable and probably shouldn’t have been created in the first place, or at the very least stopped from publishing by valve. but that’s not what we’re talking about here.

                                        if the payment processors have that much power to pull games they don’t agree with, they won’t stop here with rape/incest and can pull whatever they decide is “impure”.

                                        it sets a precedent where the people who handle money can grab even more power just because they feel like it. dating sims/violent shooters could be on the block next, and while it would be a much harder push for them due to the size of fanbases, would you still roll over and say “well not everyone wants to be subject to these things on their computer”?

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                                        • C coolmatt@lemmy.ca

                                          Well not sure about you, but I’d like to agree rape and incest is pretty fucked up so yeah it probably should be removed, so why should people have to see that on their computers in the first place?

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                                          someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                          Ultimately the material you seem to have an objection to is just an artistic expression, created with the consent of all involved. It has nothing to do with an actual illegal activity. This is just a smokescreen to further the conservative agenda of some old assholes with lots of money. If left unchecked, these groups would likely move on to other things like banning sex shops or certain civil rights organizations (e.g. LGBTQIA+) from using credit cards. How far would you allow them to go with their puritanical beliefs, when you can no longer purchase a beer or watch a scary movie?

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